Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Flea The Magician]

We can clarify in the nightmare why those inventions only ever come from town

No clarity needed. Scum can give town inventions which should only ever come from town. The role's clearly real enough. There's no guarantee everything's exactly as it seems. I refuse to trust a player off claim alone.

While I am generally a batshit crazy level of player...
Im not *That* level of batshit.

Sadly I cant dispense another one of those tonight.

[Korina]

VC 3.4

Ircher (5, E-2!):

Ranger, DragonEater70, sheepsaysmeep, Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub

Save the Dragons (1):

sheepsaysmeep

Rauthedir (1):

Ircher

camelCasedSnivy (0):

Abnegation (0):

Flea the Magician (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Ranger (0):

Radical Rat (0):

KatyKimFanClub (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

usesPython (0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Not Voting (6):

Radical Rat, Flea The Magician, Abnegation, usesPython, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy

With

13

known votes, it takes

7

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-08-06 18:50:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Ranger is V/LA indefinetly.
- Kyoko Kirigiri is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- DragonEater70 is V/LA every Tuesday.
- Rauthedir is V/LA until Sunday.

Nightmare

usesPython's proposal: [usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save The Dragons, DragonEater70, Flea The Magician] (3):

usesPython, Save The Dragons, camelCasedSnivy

Ircher's proposal [usesPython, Ranger, Morning Tweet, sheepsaysmeep, Radical Rat DragonEater70, Abnegation] (1)

: Ircher

DragonEater70's proposal: [usesPython, Ranger, Radical Rat, Abnegation, DragonEater70] (1):

DragonEater70

Flea The Magician's proposal: [usesPython, Ranger, Radical Rat, DragonEater70, Abegnation] (1):

Flea The Magician

Ranger's proposal: [Radical Rat, Abnegation, DragonEater70, usesPython, Ranger, sheepsaysmeep, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Ranger

With

13

known votes, it takes

7

of them to achieve a majority.
Nobody is confirmed to run the Nightmare.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

[Flea The Magician]

How does it give a clear?

You'll find out D4

If I'm dead by then, I can't really make use of the info. I most certainly am not circumstantially clearing just on hearsay.

Dont clear me.
I am not clear.

Simples.

[KatyKimFanClub]

if we're going in 7p direction I think I should be included

Why? Sell yourself to me.

sheepsaysmeep couldn't have acted either N1 or N2. Scum already have a flipped strongman, therefore, sheep is near-certainly not one. As sheep is confirmed to have not acted, any unaccounted for action couldn't originate from him. Therefore, sheep's almost certainly town.

Yes, I wanted to hide this logic because I was uncertain how many scumteam members there are. If there are two unclaimed night abilities from N1 (redirect if it's an active ability and then the public scum TA) then sheep is confirmed town.

[Flea The Magician]

Also how is sheep *confirmed* to have not acted?

[camelCasedSnivy]

if we're going in 7p direction I think I should be included

Why? Sell yourself to me.

sheepsaysmeep couldn't have acted either N1 or N2. Scum already have a flipped strongman, therefore, sheep is near-certainly not one. As sheep is confirmed to have not acted, any unaccounted for action couldn't originate from him. Therefore, sheep's almost certainly town.

Yes, I wanted to hide this logic because I was uncertain how many scumteam members there are. If there are two unclaimed night abilities from N1 (redirect if it's an active ability and then the public scum TA) then sheep is confirmed town.

nuh uh

not if the other 2 mafia are doing the actions instead of sheep

[camelCasedSnivy]

could there exist a bus driver traitor?

[KatyKimFanClub]

It's not confirmed, sorry.

But there are enough unclaimed roles that I'm very confident sheep is town.
Someone had to have TA'ed RR N1, and someone redirected the investigation off Ircher N1.

That's why I want to know if that's a passive ability Ircher's role has, because if it isn't, since sheep was roleblocked N1, then sheep can't be mafia-aligned.

[usesPython]

Also how is sheep *confirmed* to have not acted?

If KKFC is not scum with sheep then it's confirmed

[KatyKimFanClub]

I don't think sheep can be confirmed until there are more flips but it's something that reduces the probability enough I think sheep is a good shout for a 7p nightmare.

[Ranger]

Also how is sheep *confirmed* to have not acted?

If KKFC is not scum with sheep then it's confirmed

I'd say sheep's confirmed unless KKFC lied about their role, specifically. KatyKimFanClub's claimed role isn't something to target a scumbuddy with. As long as the role is real, sheepsaysmeep should be town.

[usesPython]

KKFC + sheep is a package deal, we either add both or we add neither

[KatyKimFanClub]

I think ultimately it comes down to how many scum are remaining.

In a world with 2 scum + traitor, it's possible that traitor had the bus driver role, one had the public TA, and then I've just been roleblocking sheep endlessly haha.

[KatyKimFanClub]

What if sheep is cult leader and they've just never been able to recruit

[Ranger]

Maybe the threat of rolecopping?

The only rolecop town has was oneshot. Unless scum think the masons are lying, they'd have no reason to fear a rolecop. Rauth claimed after everyone else had, and knew the roles town have.

[Ircher]

Isn't the insight ability basically a role cop?

[Ranger]

KKFC + sheep is a package deal, we either add both or we add neither

I say both.

I don't trust Save The Dragons to be town from the cop result alone.
I don't trust Flea The Magician to be town from dispensing a +town invention alone.

KKFC + sheepsaysmeep have both been in the prior N2 nightmare, and it seemed good enough then. I think they should stay N3.

[Ircher]

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

[camelCasedSnivy]

KKFC + sheep is a package deal, we either add both or we add neither

I say both.

I don't trust Save The Dragons to be town from the cop result alone.
I don't trust Flea The Magician to be town from dispensing a +town invention alone.

KKFC + sheepsaysmeep have both been in the prior N2 nightmare, and it seemed good enough then. I think they should stay N3.

What if that invention is FN? Would scum hand out a FN invention or something similar?

[Ranger]

What if sheep is cult leader and they've just never been able to recruit

It's possible.

My list of 3ps is:
{KatyKimFanClub, sheepsaysmeep, Rautherdir, Flea The Magician}.
KKFC for having the exact role which was cult last game. sheep for the messenger role being good cover for cult. Rautherdir because those JOAT abilities fit for cult. Flea because a potential downside of the inventions is furthering a cult wincon. (Say, every player receiving an invention, and/or every player being targeted by an invention.)

Still, today's focus is on scum, not 3p. Thus, I'd prefer not focusing on cult leader.

[usesPython]

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Does this look like a slip to anyone else?

[Ranger]

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Well here's proof the N2 nightmare had zero scum.

Obviously, nobody answer him.

[camelCasedSnivy]

what if sheep has a strongwilled bus driver ability

[Ircher]

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Does this look like a slip to anyone else?

How is it a slip? I was not in it; therefore, I do not know what the result was.

[Ircher]

Like that's a 100% nonsensical argument.