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[the worst]

VOTE: Bingle missed u friend <3

these are both good wagons

tweet i'm paranoid that you've charmed me and pocketed me and is the deepscum

??? but I'm already the deepscum

I subbed into this game specifically to play with you, and you immediately betrayal me like this. You really are just the worst.

didn't you sub in after me? this is still really sweet so i'll take it. who shall we kill together?

[the worst]

novice mason sounds made up because it's not really a role i have ever seen. you're the one who mentioned novice mason, so I'm not sure why it's me who jumped to any conclusions?
and i don't understand what other motivation you're looking for here, other than getting out of poe?

This is probably town, fwiw. Scummonkee is more likely to realize that if bob is lying about there being a novice mason the claimed masons would presumably just say that. Bob is probably telling the truth, which doesn’t really make him town. Rolecop definitely makes sense as a scum role in a three mason setup, and assuming the masons aren’t the novices in question that’s what it sounds like.

i'm on your wavelength so far tbh

but worst is a mason he is good solver. True i wouldnt give that power to elements

although prob obvous dont want to out the 3rd unless they hint that its fine

none of that please, do your own job. i'd rather *not* solve until everyone gives me their solve lmao i'm sure el feels the same

[the worst]

i think it's smart for the 3rd to be outed just so when the masons die, there aren't any scum claiming to be the 3rd. we already have two of the masons outted, so I'm not sure why there's value not outting a 3rd. it's not like scum has a shortage of pr claims to flip.

what's your solve in a world without a third mason bc that's important

[Morning Tweet]

Why is HEM so suspicious of the mason claims and bob, makes no sense

I am suspicious of the bob claim too...or at least I dont understand it.

It's less that bob is town it's more bob is definitely telling the truth and it was confusing me that HEM didn't believe clidd/Ele were together or Bob's mason result claim

[the worst]

i'd kinda like bob to fullclaim if he's going to do mystical mechanical stuff

[Morning Tweet]

I just found it weird is all

If I meant more than that I would have said more

That's fair enough

I suppose I'll just try really hard to sort between emp/bob, klick/Dragons, furtive/bingle later

UNVOTE:

[bob3141]

I was hoping to eat a NK by avoiding a full claim but my role is mason finder. Was hoping to bluff mafia into night killing me in misguided belief that i was soemthing like role cop.

Since 3 masons are equal to 3 goons in 15p. There was a good chance scum woudl have minor weak role. small chance but might have allowed a mason into 3p and 2 into 5p

[Morning Tweet]

furtive's slot is sus for abandoning Greeting's wagon when it became too hot — despite having both Greeting and clidd as top suspects. Although he came back to it once Snivy got enough heat.

What do you mean by "Getting too hot" here? Because looking at the posts around furtive's clidd vote I don't see any significant uptick in greeting pressure. I see a significant uptick in furtive pressure, but not in greeting pressure.

Furtive said something to the effect of "Interesting how fast Greeting gains pressure compared to like the clidd wagons" and switched to voting clidd.

I think that's what we're discussing correct me if wrong

[Morning Tweet]

But granted I don't remember if there was early Greeting pressure I was just taking what I read from furtive at face value

[bob3141]

though when i repped i foudn my role really funny as in my last game i didnt beleive HEM bg finder role

was it karma lol

[the worst]

i find it bizarre that a town mason finder would, like, target anyone or claim ever but ok go off

[bob3141]

furtive just looks like forced bus. he had no excuse not be on the wagon so once it got to e-2 there is no way scum could avoided not forcing it to e-1

since there are clearly lots of town players that were not voting camel at bthat point teh self hammer is prob not to had over town cred

[the worst]

Summing up, nit voting for

Elements
The worst
For mason claim

And save the dragon because of how I think they could have interacted with the scum we caught

can you point me in the direction of what from Dragons was unaligned with camel?

I did it here

So, Klick/Dragon was 1st on the town Roden wagon
and was 4th on Camel's scum wagon

Clidd was 2nd on the town Roden wagon
and was on Furtive end of day 2 and is about to be replaced.

But i find it hard to beleive that Savethe dragon is/was scum with Camel.

STD could have pushed a different wagon and then Camel would not have needed to have voted. 2 votes somewhere else would have been very much game changing, and i am not going to vote STD today because of this.

i just went over that slot's history with greeting & camel. it kind of looks like both klick and dragons hedged on greeting/snivy, then just joined the wagon once it had momentum which is like... a very safe bus. what part of it made you think they're not aligned?

[the worst]

Vote Count 2.4

camelCasedSnivy (6):

curiouskarmadog, Elements, OopsieDaisy, Save The Dragons, furtiveglance, CamelCasedSnivy

furtiveglance (2):

clidd, geraintm

clidd (1):

humaneatingmonkey

Save The Dragons (1):

Morning Tweet

Not voting (1):

Emperor flippyNips


With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to drive someone out of town.

i'm not going to vca because (1) i'm not smart (2) it gets mixed results (3) someone will BULLY me but just a very surface-level observation. if scum self-hammer, it's usually because it will benefit one+ of their teammates. a vca-doer would consider this a sign that there is already scum on their wagon. but shooting oopsie indicates maybe this wagon is cleaner than we're letting on, unless oopsie had particularly good reads or was just super epic.

talk to me about where u see partners around this elim

[bob3141]

i find it bizarre that a town mason finder would, like, target anyone or claim ever but ok go off

Yeah i dont get its use. Only value i can see is helping a single player individual solve before the masons claim.

To be honest i just want players to decide on my role sooner than later. Plus i dont think this game is hard to solve as even with my solve there is still one spare execution

Is see 9 players 3 are masons and one is me

that leaves 5

curous/greeting just looks tvs when ever i look at it
gerain looks more liek his town self.

[bob3141]

Vote Count 2.4

camelCasedSnivy (6):

curiouskarmadog, Elements, OopsieDaisy, Save The Dragons, furtiveglance, CamelCasedSnivy

furtiveglance (2):

clidd, geraintm

clidd (1):

humaneatingmonkey

Save The Dragons (1):

Morning Tweet

Not voting (1):

Emperor flippyNips


With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to drive someone out of town.

i'm not going to vca because (1) i'm not smart (2) it gets mixed results (3) someone will BULLY me but just a very surface-level observation. if scum self-hammer, it's usually because it will benefit one+ of their teammates. a vca-doer would consider this a sign that there is already scum on their wagon. but shooting oopsie indicates maybe this wagon is cleaner than we're letting on, unless oopsie had particularly good reads or was just super epic.

talk to me about where u see partners around this elim

its just a sign scum knows they are dead. when i do vca analysis i look at rate of change. The key spots on that wagon we know are town via one flip and mason claim. Thats enough to switch the wagons momentum at near deadline. So it changes from pushing alternt wagon to not being caught off wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lets yeet bingle then lets reconvene tomorrow when this gets easier

[bob3141]

when furt dropped his vote snivys claim had already been dismissed. So zero chance of a redirection

Any hammer would have been very town ai as if it was as said then any scum player could have pretended to be off and hop for no execution

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think it's smart for the 3rd to be outed just so when the masons die, there aren't any scum claiming to be the 3rd. we already have two of the masons outted, so I'm not sure why there's value not outting a 3rd. it's not like scum has a shortage of pr claims to flip.

what's your solve in a world without a third mason bc that's important

it's not important anymore. i believe the 3rd mason claim after a night of sleep, so i don't see sense in continuing talking about it this way. i was confused about the claim, and the nature of it, and the vagueness of backup/novice mason where i thought it could be used to steal town influence in the case of two masons dying tonight. that's why i thought it was important for it to be revealed and confirmed.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i still don't think bob is town for the role, and it still confused me why there was a need to claim and reveal result... other than getting out of poe

[the worst]

i agree we're better for bob having claimed and i don't think it's all that scummy a claim but i'm not married to it either

i really want gerrain to expand because i don't think gerrain is town?

pedit: mood

[geraintm]

Summing up, nit voting for

Elements
The worst
For mason claim

And save the dragon because of how I think they could have interacted with the scum we caught

can you point me in the direction of what from Dragons was unaligned with camel?

I did it here

So, Klick/Dragon was 1st on the town Roden wagon
and was 4th on Camel's scum wagon

Clidd was 2nd on the town Roden wagon
and was on Furtive end of day 2 and is about to be replaced.

But i find it hard to beleive that Savethe dragon is/was scum with Camel.

STD could have pushed a different wagon and then Camel would not have needed to have voted. 2 votes somewhere else would have been very much game changing, and i am not going to vote STD today because of this.

i just went over that slot's history with greeting & camel. it kind of looks like both klick and dragons hedged on greeting/snivy, then just joined the wagon once it had momentum which is like... a very safe bus. what part of it made you think they're not aligned?

If they were aligned, they would have fought much harder to save them. They could have pushed a plausible wagon together (and presumably a 3rd scum) butbdidnt.

This is why I have said I am not voting for them today

[geraintm]

i agree we're better for bob having claimed and i don't think it's all that scummy a claim but i'm not married to it either

i really want gerrain to expand because i don't think gerrain is town?

pedit: mood

I wish you the best trying to get me eliminated.

[geraintm]

I have to say, if there are indeed 3 mason in the game now feels like a great time to say, we should be able to narrow down who gets eliminated quickly enough to get a win

[Morning Tweet]

Gerain is pretty consistently playing another game from the rest of us i would be pretty surprised if he pulls that as scum