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[KatyKimFanClub]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting

It looks to me like Bazuf and his lack of posts are being used as easy pushes given the early slant of the game against inactivity.

[Save The Dragons]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting

that's not really my argument tho

[Civil Scum]

UNVOTE: Naerys

Feeling a little under the weather so I won't elaborate on too much stuff, but I think the response in 267 is pretty good. Do you have games on this site where you feel like you got pocketed by scum?

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A little wary of Civil Scum's townread on RN, and I'm also confused (genuinely, not trying to throw shade under the guise of being confused) about the discoure around the early wagon on Civil Scum.

To me, he was never under any pressure of being eliminated. I think in my last 2 completed Newbie games we had players put to E-1 by page 2 with no actual threat of hammering. So, any retroactive analysis that suggests such seems weird to me (not sure if there was any).

The players on the wagon were Bazuf, Starfire, Random Nurse, Bellaphant. Bazuf was the first vote, but the only one of the four who Civil Scum scumreads? In fact he townreads the others. So why was he so upset over his wagon if everyone who contributed to it after the first vote was town?

I could be misreading this.

The only vote I really took issue with was Greetings E-2, especially since I’m a subsequent post he said the town shouldn’t put anyone at E-1 so early.

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting

It looks to me like Bazuf and his lack of posts are being used as easy pushes given the early slant of the game against inactivity.

I’m not sure how many times I have to explain that I’m pushing Bazuf for LAMIST and for having the strangest voting logic yet, not for lurking.

[Civil Scum]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting

Can you explain what you mean by this?

[KatyKimFanClub]

Oh honestly I thought for a second this was 11p and 4 votes were E-2, hence my not including Greetings in your vote count. That's my bad and explains a lot more honestly.

Before I go to bed, I do just want to say that your read on Bazuf just seems to be miscalibrated for a couple of reasons.

Bazuf knows you aren't getting hammered because he's just played in two Newbie games where people got put at E-1 basically by page 2 and neither got hammered, and there was a lot of discourse how no one is hammering from those spots.

This, and my misunderstanding of the vote count on you is why I was skeptical of your "lamist, weird voting logic" reasoning for being suspicious of Bazuf.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Also I was super confused about people townreading Bellaphant but I see the town vibes now.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Before I go to bed, I do just want to say that your read on Bazuf just seems to be miscalibrated for a couple of reasons.

I realized I forgot my second reason. I think his town meta is sort of similar to PC's where they're both going to jump to reads quickly instead of "showing their work" and building up to a read? I don't see anything nefarious in 76 honestly. That being said, I've only ever seen town!Bazuf and town!PC.

[Civil Scum]

I don’t disagree about the hammering potential angle. But I still think you avoided the core of the case which was his LAMIST ( taking credit openly for ending RVS on an overblown case on Bellaphant) and some accompanying voting logic which is to me inexplicable, so I think you may have missed the mark a bit here in your defense of him.

And not knowing how many players there are…

Revising my top 6 suspects:
Bob
Naerys
Hu Tao
KKFC
Greetings
Bazuf

[Hu Tao]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting

It looks to me like Bazuf and his lack of posts are being used as easy pushes given the early slant of the game against inactivity.

I agree which is why I haven't voted or pushed bazuf. I think with newer people especially people try to push them early, especially scum if they are town. But it's better to see how the situation plays out more than a few pages into the game

[Hu Tao]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Just did

[Bellaphant]

My issue with bazuf and Bob was that they made their votes on me without engaging me and still haven't interacted with me, while being weirdly declarative about their votes.

Kkfc is confusing because I literally tr one post and sr the next.

[bob3141]

Bella my vote on you was just bait but no one has taken it

[Hu Tao]

I think that's pretty good logic bella

[Bellaphant]

Bait for what? Do we have experience together? I feel picked on

[Bellaphant]

Tbf I mainly read you like kkfc, my read is flip floppy on you. I think there might be scum in you/bazuf and it's probs bazuf?

[bob3141]

To see if anyone would jump onto you after me.

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

[Bellaphant]

What would it mean if people had? What does it mean that they haven't? I need more, babes

[bob3141]

who know but it would have been something analysis. I use vote count as the frame for my solves so if votes dont move it hard to do game theory.

Would it have triggered a town flash wagon. Would some jumped on think it was lhf ect

[Civil Scum]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Just did

I still don’t understand. Who was overreacting and to what?

[KatyKimFanClub]

My previous messages in 305/306 probably come across as a little fragmented, sorry I am running a fever.

The reason I think Bazuf LAMIST style / weird voting pattern isn't that bad is because I think he does this pretty often as town. The below quote is from Newbie 2125. He has a strong pattern of scumreading someone early and helping move the game out of RVS. It is kind of interesting he said something about RVS this time, but this post reminds me a lot of 76.

Eh, I do this all the time in my games.

Dunno why but this post feels townie, cause I think scum!Delta wouldn't defend another player this early, especially not with this kind of defense. In fact, right now Delta has become my top (and quite possibly my only) townread.

I don't understand how you can townread someone so early on and for such a shallow reason.
I can see his comment coming for scum as well.

I think you might know for a fact that Delta is in fact town and you're just trying to get on his good side...
UNVOTE: Deltabreedy
VOTE: DragonEater

I don't think Civil / Bella reads on Bazuf are "bad", but maybe a little miscalibrated based on his playstyle?
Like the things about LAMIST or the "..." are pretty easily explained as NAI for Bazuf (at least based on me understanding of his meta).
Similarly, the idea that he hasn't really interacted with his vote is probably just because he hasn't been active on the site. Once again looping back to my idea that there is either a town-subconscious or scum-conscious decision to push on him because of his inactivity.

[Bellaphant]

I find it weird that you are using this many words and efforts to discuss someone who isn't here??

(That's shade btw)

[DragonEater70]

Bazuf has been prodded.

[KatyKimFanClub]

I find it weird that you are using this many words and efforts to discuss someone who isn't here??

(That's shade btw)

What would you suggest I do. Use less words?

[KatyKimFanClub]

I think he's more town than y'all do. Why not talk about it?