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[biancospino]

Announcement:

The deadline is extended to (expired on 2023-08-09 15:40:33) from now, due to the replacement.

[Infinity 324]

HURT: sacrifice w/e let's try it

-ash

i think marci should not be eliminated today simply due to the adorableness of their avatar

-sonya+ivy

[Roden]

If you want a full case, I don't have one. Of the leading wagons you're the lowest in my reads, and I know I can work with Marci and Cakez going forward. I don't think you've done much of anything and your votes have been lifeless all game.

not sure about the lifeless votes part but sure

Your votes had no real drive and I don't get a sense of scum hunting here.

Spoiler: Vote history

VOTE: PenguinPower

see devil, im just ahead of the game

UNVOTE:

meh

VOTE: Penguin

I dont mind condemning PengüinoPoder

guys we have less than 2 days for deadline

So?

I dont wanna no lim by accident but we still need to find a good vote

VOTE: Cakez

meh

weird

im not in a rush to vote

UNVOTE:

VOTE: PenguinPower

this is the most recent vote so now im not getting limmed

[Roden]

ok roden

do you think town!snivy would simply not care about a lim on then

I don't know who you are.

[Aureal]

I'm confused by this argument. Snivy didn't do anything to change the elimination with the vote. It was Marci and continued to be Marci until that unvote from Infinity just now. If Snivy wanted to avoid becoming the top elimination candidate he should've voted Marci, not Penguin.

[camelCasedSnivy]

the cakez one was out of panic

792 i was debating if i should turn my vote somewhere else but the only other wagon was marci and even though theyre town i just decided to go back

[Roden]

I'm confused by this argument. Snivy didn't do anything to change the elimination with the vote. It was Marci and continued to be Marci until that unvote from Infinity just now. If Snivy wanted to avoid becoming the top elimination candidate he should've voted Marci, not Penguin.

Look at the reason he voted Penguin.

[camelCasedSnivy]

that wasnt the motivation behind it but it was something i noticed (or at least thought to noticed but i had another moment)

[Roden]

the cakez one was out of panic

792 i was debating if i should turn my vote somewhere else but the only other wagon was marci and even though theyre town i just decided to go back

Why Penguin?

[camelCasedSnivy]

HURT: Sacrifice

[camelCasedSnivy]

the cakez one was out of panic

792 i was debating if i should turn my vote somewhere else but the only other wagon was marci and even though theyre town i just decided to go back

Why Penguin?

didnt like a couple of their beginning posts and then the rest of their posts were NAI from there on out

[Roden]

the cakez one was out of panic

792 i was debating if i should turn my vote somewhere else but the only other wagon was marci and even though theyre town i just decided to go back

Why Penguin?

didnt like a couple of their beginning posts and then the rest of their posts were NAI from there on out

Since we have more time now, can you give us a reads list?

[marcistar]

vote cakez then

Can you vote Snivy please? I think Cakez is town here.

why do u think snivys scum then cuz idk nothing pinged me there

He isn't doing anything and cares more about surviving the vote than trying to vote out scum. As opposed to you and Cakez being potential elims today and at least trying to scum hunt. I feel that both of you are townie and slots I can read going forward, and I would rather keep the both of you around.

im confused is it not usual for towniews to want to save themselves

[Infinity 324]

wow snivy is really not trying to look town. like i get that its easy to outsmart ourself with that kind of read but sigh. maybe we're biased cause we agree with him on mech

[Aureal]

Who tries to look town?

[Infinity 324]

Who tries to look town?

scum (to be clear, this is indicating a townish read on snivy)

[camelCasedSnivy]

the cakez one was out of panic

792 i was debating if i should turn my vote somewhere else but the only other wagon was marci and even though theyre town i just decided to go back

Why Penguin?

didnt like a couple of their beginning posts and then the rest of their posts were NAI from there on out

Since we have more time now, can you give us a reads list?

town: aureal? leaf
townlean: meow marci
null: everyone and STILL notably devil
scumlean: cakez
scum: penguin snivy

i believe csf you and nurse are in the middle because i barely got an influence from you 3

[camelCasedSnivy]

i genuinely forgot that infinity was penguin's replacement

they seem a bit better from penguin

[camelCasedSnivy]

wow snivy is really not trying to look town

WOW

[meowmeow]

UNVOTE:

hi i've read some of the game already. wanted to clear something up--eliminations are good for town and town-directed kills are good for town. if a townie gets killed with sacrifice they probably would've been eliminated later, and otherwise we get a cop guilty. i feel confident we want to use sacrifice twice this game. maybe there's a catch but we can only go off of the information we have.

we disagree a bit on who's scum, some of us thought that devil were scummy early on but that could be some of drew's confident personality. meow is maybe our biggest scumread tbh, but maybe that's best to address later anyway.

we have no particular desire to eliminate any of the current biggest wagons, so time to read up i guess.

i don't really disagree with sacrifice in principle, but I'm also fine just finding the amount of scum right now, and like... if we do sacrifice i think we should decide who it is beforehand rather than just give that power to the people who vote sacrifice

i think I'd like to address your read on me now! i don't really see what the point in being coy about it is supposed to be if you're town

[Roden]

vote cakez then

Can you vote Snivy please? I think Cakez is town here.

why do u think snivys scum then cuz idk nothing pinged me there

He isn't doing anything and cares more about surviving the vote than trying to vote out scum. As opposed to you and Cakez being potential elims today and at least trying to scum hunt. I feel that both of you are townie and slots I can read going forward, and I would rather keep the both of you around.

im confused is it not usual for towniews to want to save themselves

Depends on the player tbh. I'll fight to survive as town but sometimes I'll just give up instead. But every time I'll at the very least make it clear I'm trying (and half the time failing) to vote out my scum reads.

[camelCasedSnivy]

i say if we're doing sac we sac cakez or maybe one of the 3 less influential ones

[meowmeow]

if we do sacrifice I'd be fine with doing it on random nurse, since we don't have anything else to sort that slot with

[Infinity 324]

@meow i mean it doesn't look like you're getting eliminated today, and i would like to focus on slots that are more likely to get eliminated. the gist of it is that your pushes on csf and penguin felt awkward and a bit nitpicky like you didn't know what to do with your vote.

[Infinity 324]

i think we're actually choosing sacrifice, it should be clear at some point and then everyone can just vote for it so they can get a say. our sac vote is mostly symbolic atm.