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[marcistar]

i say if we're doing sac we sac cakez or maybe one of the 3 less influential ones

u rlly arent helping ur case huh bestie

[camelCasedSnivy]

wouldnt it be funny if we used ooc tags for voting and made our own seperate VCs for sac

[camelCasedSnivy]

i say if we're doing sac we sac cakez or maybe one of the 3 less influential ones

u rlly arent helping ur case huh bestie

you mean roden?

[Roden]

the cakez one was out of panic

792 i was debating if i should turn my vote somewhere else but the only other wagon was marci and even though theyre town i just decided to go back

Why Penguin?

didnt like a couple of their beginning posts and then the rest of their posts were NAI from there on out

Since we have more time now, can you give us a reads list?

town: aureal? leaf
townlean: meow marci
null: everyone and STILL notably devil
scumlean: cakez
scum: penguin snivy

i believe csf you and nurse are in the middle because i barely got an influence from you 3

We're at a bit of an impasse here, I town lean Cakez and I'm null on the Penguin slot.

Walk me through your view on Devil and CSF since I feel like they've been pretty loud voices.

[camelCasedSnivy]

the cakez one was out of panic

792 i was debating if i should turn my vote somewhere else but the only other wagon was marci and even though theyre town i just decided to go back

Why Penguin?

didnt like a couple of their beginning posts and then the rest of their posts were NAI from there on out

Since we have more time now, can you give us a reads list?

town: aureal? leaf
townlean: meow marci
null: everyone and STILL notably devil
scumlean: cakez
scum: penguin snivy

i believe csf you and nurse are in the middle because i barely got an influence from you 3

We're at a bit of an impasse here, I town lean Cakez and I'm null on the Penguin slot.

Walk me through your view on Devil and CSF since I feel like they've been pretty loud voices.

CSF is a loud voice? ok then maybe i just havent been paying attention

i dont see very good reasons to townread or scumread devil i feel like either evaluation feels hard to convince myself

[Aureal]

@meow i mean it doesn't look like you're getting eliminated today, and i would like to focus on slots that are more likely to get eliminated. the gist of it is that your pushes on csf and penguin felt awkward and a bit nitpicky like you didn't know what to do with your vote.

Why can't a townie be awkward and not know what to do with their vote?

[Infinity 324]

I still think Merlyn might've TMI'd you and Devil and I think her way of reading you is too clinical. Overconfidence is NAI for you, in my experience how townie you are depends on how hard you hit the slay button.

fwiw we feel the same way about marci as merlyn does

pedit: they could but it's +scum imo. like scumreads flow naturally more often for town

[Infinity 324]

to expand on that, at least the way i feel about it is that town who is awkward with their vote can just do nothing with it and say "i have no scumreads". whereas scum is more likely to feel pressure to vote cause thats what town is "supposed" to do.

-ash

[meowmeow]

i mean, i'd like to hear more about what's so awkward here, particularly regarding the pp read which i still believe in, but if your focus is elsewhere while you're catching up we can talk about that later

[Infinity 324]

ehh ok fine. i'm pretty sure i've seen penguin say "do something" to nonvoters as town in another game. if it's really important to you we can try to find it. i understand thinking that's strange, but i don't understand thinking it's scummy particularly when it's obvious penguin was not the most active contributor at that point. the csf vote was scummier to us though since we think you should've realized that you just had a disagreement with her sooner in the engagement than you did. and the unvote afterwards was where we felt the most awkwardness.

-ash+others

[Infinity 324]

is 378 still the basis for your strongest scumread at this point? are you comfortable with that if so?

-ace

[meowmeow]

i think i've acknowledged penguin does that as town too; what bothered me is getting prodded, telling people to do something, and then leaving. and then coming back when he gets voted, doing a bit of verbal sparring, and then leaving again. pp isn't a wall poster but he does more than this as town very regularly; I've recently linked an example in this thread. i don't think i've been unclear about this read and i'm skeptical of the push here - i understand you're catching up but i imagine you will have searched for penguin in my iso before asking that?

the csf thing is less scummy to me because i don't think that was a good push anymore but like, i am not sure when you expected me to recognise a misunderstanding or why scum me would behave differently, and i think unvoting there is fine and am pretty confused why you are pushing on that specifically

[Merlyn]

I'm confused by this argument. Snivy didn't do anything to change the elimination with the vote. It was Marci and continued to be Marci until that unvote from Infinity just now. If Snivy wanted to avoid becoming the top elimination candidate he should've voted Marci, not Penguin.

When you say 'It was Marci and continued to be Marci until that unvote from Infinity just now', do you mean that you think Marci was the lim if nothing changed? Because I believe it was (and still is) Snivy. That's my interpretation of the 'tiebreaks by seniority' rule- that the oldest vote was Devil on Snivy, so if they stay a tie it's still Snivy who gets limmed.

[marcistar]

tiebreaks by seniority prob means whoever reached the number of votes first yknow

though i probably wouldve been the elim yeah because im stubborn and refuse to save myself when it goes on me and i view it as unfair LOL

[meowmeow]

amendment to the pp thing - it's wrong to say he left in the middle, what i remembered from that time is that upon returning he didn't really say anything of substance which is true but there wasn't a massive timestamp difference between that and him defending himself. i don't think it changes my point

[Merlyn]

Huh, this is really something that we should be clear on.

@mod- can you define the tiebreak by seniority rule please?

[Infinity 324]

i think i've acknowledged penguin does that as town too; what bothered me is getting prodded, telling people to do something, and then leaving. and then coming back when he gets voted, doing a bit of verbal sparring, and then leaving again. pp isn't a wall poster but he does more than this as town very regularly; I've recently linked an example in this thread. i don't think i've been unclear about this read and i'm skeptical of the push here - i understand you're catching up but i imagine you will have searched for penguin in my iso before asking that?

ok we'll keep catching up. i think we quickly searched but missed it. though it think it's strange to ask us why we're pushing on this point when you were the one that asked us to? it's mostly a gut read and it's not like i expect someone to be like "yeah that makes sense" in response to a scumread on them

[meowmeow]

i didn't really get the impression it was a gut read but your behaviour does make more sense in that context so shrug

[biancospino]

Huh, this is really something that we should be clear on.

@mod- can you define the tiebreak by seniority rule please?

It is codified in voting rule N

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7 (emphasis added):

7. As soon as a majority of the votes is toward the same player, that player is hammered and their fate is sealed. If no majority is reached before deadline, the executee will be decided by plurality;

in case of a tie, the wagon whose newest vote is older will win.

[meowmeow]

i hope marci answers my questions. i suppose it'd be somewhat karmatic if she didn't but i'm a cat which i think should earn me points

No idea

I still think Merlyn might've TMI'd you and Devil and I think her way of reading you is too clinical. Overconfidence is NAI for you, in my experience how townie you are depends on how hard you hit the slay button. But I can also tell that our back and forth was going nowhere and it's better if I just disengage and observe for now.

You/Aureal/Devil/RC are my town reads right now, CSF/Leaf/Meow/Nurse/Penguin/Cakes are in my null stew pile, Merlyn/Snivy are under my watchful eye.

I don't think merlyn was all that scummy so far. She was pretty higher on my townreads list, though I do see spots where I think she could possibly be faking ignorance. I thought most of her stuff seemed genuine enough that I wanted to ignore that, I think shes one of the main people pushing the game "the direction they want", so I thought they couldn't be scum.
Aurueal isn't exactly a townread for me anymore, but isn't a scumread. Does it make sense? I think they dropped off.

How isn't meow a townread? I think they seemed pretty engaged in the game since the second they replaced in.

how strongly would you say you townread engagement normally?

also what's your read on flavor leaf / cakes rn?

[Infinity 324]

fwiw the scumread is now weaker after we saw you were in fact concerned about not having a ton of strong reads (591).

[Infinity 324]

why is this random mini theme so hard for me to find scum
I'm just gonna town hunt instead

sigh again is it stupid for us to townread this

VOTE: deal with the devil let's try this

[biancospino]

Prodding RCEnigma.

[biancospino]

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