mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is a mafia game on the internet and I don't even think it's that serious to begin with

hey!! i am taking things very seriously

mmmhmmm

[DkKoba]

curious that since my activity sharply picked up, not a single peep from people on my wagon on whether the new evidence has changed anything for them

some are just afk! others im just p sure are scum tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think ranger thinks I'm awesome

Eh, I guess. You're respectably competent. You've excellent knowledge on particular players. You've good insights. You had a read I resonated with. I suppose that qualifies as thinking you're awesome.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

curious that since my activity sharply picked up, not a single peep from people on my wagon on whether the new evidence has changed anything for them

some are just afk! others im just p sure are scum tbh

i already told you what i need from you to change my mind

[Ranger]

what is different this game from ur scumgames?

I don't recall claiming there was anything different.

I recall stating you're familiar with my play enough to know your accusations are nonsense.

I'm unable to judge the difference between my games. That's reserved exclusively for others. I've a right to intervene when someone is deliberately and disingenuously pushing me on something they know is playstyle. I casually tryhard. Minimal effort. A lot of what I do is subject to both whims and rl restrictions. If I don't feel like doing something, I won't. If I do, I will.

[DkKoba]

ok this is gonna be a wild read from my own perspective but I'm pretty sure pooky is mafia bc of the way it feels he is tunneling me.

when he has tunneled me when i have been mafia as town, i can actually feel he believes his read and isnt just reaction testing me or anything like that. i do not remember him ever misreading me longterm when we are both town or even really getting tunneled when he is town and i am town, moreso the opposite


while like getting flashbacks to 2020 coalition pooky tunneling me this is how it feels i think and i feel i have grasped the difference? like its bc it feels like a reaction test at times and is super lazy and all that. granted in coalition it eventually turned into something more srs and thats when i backed off but i should have known.


now to convince 9 other ppl that lazy openwolfing pooky is scum[challenge: impossible] (if that pokemon game is anything to judge by)

[DkKoba]

what is different this game from ur scumgames?

I don't recall claiming there was anything different.

I recall stating you're familiar with my play enough to know your accusations are nonsense.

I'm unable to judge the difference between my games. That's reserved exclusively for others. I've a right to intervene when someone is deliberately and disingenuously pushing me on something they know is playstyle. I casually tryhard. Minimal effort. A lot of what I do is subject to both whims and rl restrictions. If I don't feel like doing something, I won't. If I do, I will.

i provided proof my accusations are not nonsense, burden of proof is on you, dont try to deflect

[DkKoba]

curious that since my activity sharply picked up, not a single peep from people on my wagon on whether the new evidence has changed anything for them

some are just afk! others im just p sure are scum tbh

i already told you what i need from you to change my mind

then if im the mayor, you ought to be sheeping me today, not voting me

[DkKoba]

i get scum... i live, i kill town, i die.

easy enough, eh?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm shocked the koba has decided to give up on trying to butter me up and flipped back to deathmatching me after their olive branch did not work on me

completely unexpected turn of events

[iamveryhappy]

VOTE: iamveryhappy

I feel ilke his posting around page 10 felt off. Like still doing RVS banter and not commenting on more salient stuff happening in the thread when people were starting to exit RVS and talking about reads

weird. I was talking about Pokemon Showdown, a battle simulator
and also step 4
everyone put it as "???"
like wtf can we just get something, a variable or smth like that
you're feeling off not me.

[Ranger]

viewtopic.php?t=66605&user_select%5B%5D=26805 ranger scumgame, u can see they do the same silly "just trust me" reads where they just say call things "towny" or "scummy"

Nice try. That was a game from nine years ago. I'm quite literally a different person now. While I imagine there's aspects of my scumgame from then which survived the transition, it's certainly not the argument you're making it out to be and you know it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

curious that since my activity sharply picked up, not a single peep from people on my wagon on whether the new evidence has changed anything for them

some are just afk! others im just p sure are scum tbh

i already told you what i need from you to change my mind

then if im the mayor, you ought to be sheeping me today, not voting me

so name names

[Ranger]

an example of town ranger actually capable of elaborating on a read

I don't recall stating I'm incapable of elaborating on reads. I certainly can. I'm never obligated to.

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?t=66605&user_select%5B%5D=26805 ranger scumgame, u can see they do the same silly "just trust me" reads where they just say call things "towny" or "scummy"

Nice try. That was a game from nine years ago. I'm quite literally a different person now. While I imagine there's aspects of my scumgame from then which survived the transition, it's certainly not the argument you're making it out to be and you know it.

old meta is still relevant meta.

i have pulled games from longer ago to prove my points and have seen success, your playstyle hasnt even drastically changed since then, so dont try to make this argument.

if you didnt do the reads per page thing, for instance, i would have completely discarded it. there were enough parallels that it is relevant.

mafia universe is super slow, but ctrl-v Violet in my Finale game for season 9 MU champs, i use 2016 scum meta (in a different language, no less) to solidify a correct read on a townie.

[DkKoba]

an example of town ranger actually capable of elaborating on a read

I don't recall stating I'm incapable of elaborating on reads. I certainly can. I'm never obligated to.

you certainly are obligated to elaborate if you respect the other players in the game

[DkKoba]

curious that since my activity sharply picked up, not a single peep from people on my wagon on whether the new evidence has changed anything for them

some are just afk! others im just p sure are scum tbh

i already told you what i need from you to change my mind

then if im the mayor, you ought to be sheeping me today, not voting me

so name names

u r a big bear and can figure out who

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dunno you've been wildly pointing in every direction like a broken clock since I started pushing you

you've changed your read on me three times in two days

you wanna final answer something or what?

[ofrhz]

393 and 394 are just tautologies
"Why do you scumread me"
"Because you look like scum"

Well yeah. We're still in early game. If someone claims they've got a slam-dunk case for scumreading someone, they're lying. Everything's weak rn. Gut's the most valid reason for a scumread at this stage. We're slowly transitioning out of that with posts like this though, as I believe this was a bad faith argument.

??? No there's obviously a difference between weak reason and circular reasoning. Your reasoning is just circular, hence tautology

I never said you had to have a slam dunk case on me or anyone else and I don't expect people to at this point, but if it's gut then you can say what pinged you or at the very least point out which posts pinged you

The hilarious irony of you saying /my/ post was bad faith

[Doctor Drew]

*Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif*

[DkKoba]

ranger, if u are town, u are handicapping us by refusing to lay out your thoughts and forcing people to conclude that ur reads are just not from a town POV. the number 1 way to read people is to examine their process.

refuse to give a process? we must fill in the blanks the best we can and see how logical things seem.


i am rereading a game to find a post and i noticed i tunneled someone who was town who was being annoyingly also vague and not explaining shit and it ended up with them getting miskilled. granted, i fucked that game later myself but that player really did 0 favors by not explaining their process and allowing us to criticize it and discuss it.

the point of discussing the why is to see if the why is a good reason and if there might be a different conclusion to be had potentially etc.
just saying ur read and not wavering bc the evidence can only point to 1 thing and u wont share that evidence leads to a very autopilot game that relies on players being accurate consistently from the start.


(also like ofrhz said, this is like that circular mode of "X is scummy bc I found X scummy!"

(also i am struggling to find the post about that player i looked deep for meta lol)

[Ranger]

i provided proof my accusations are not nonsense, burden of proof is on you, dont try to deflect

I certainly can. It's called the vast majority of my games, rather than cherrypicking whatever suits your fancy to support your argument.

I've given plenty of nonanswers before as town, and plenty of reasons before as scum. In fact, were I to actually compile my past game history, the vast majority of nonanswers would be from town and the vast majority of reasons would be from scum. I certainly could prove this. I see no reason to when literally anyone who's played with me (yourself included) knows it, and could research it themselves if they cared to.

I've been called out on seemingly-random changes in my readslists before. When called out, my response in all past games has been the same; if a change between them catches your eye, ask what shifted and I'll happily share. I'm not going to effort by explaining the change otherwise.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one is willing to admit that this is not outside the realm of possibility for scum!Ranger. Like she said, it's been a bit since we've played together, but the game we DID play together was a scumgame for her, and this one is picking up similar vibes here and there kinda?? But it's too early to tell for sure, and that's also the extent of it's scum!Ranger experience.

On the flipside of the Ranger meta coin:

HighPrincessErinys, do you have any scum reads?

You, because this is a completely nonsensical post if you have any idea of how Ranger plays just like, in general. It's also kind of stupid on the face of it because it's just going "you are not allowed to have super early gutreads, if you do you're scum". This post is also similarly weird and bad.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

[DkKoba]

i provided proof my accusations are not nonsense, burden of proof is on you, dont try to deflect

I certainly can. It's called the vast majority of my games, rather than cherrypicking whatever suits your fancy to support your argument.

I've given plenty of nonanswers before as town, and plenty of reasons before as scum. In fact, were I to actually compile my past game history, the vast majority of nonanswers would be from town and the vast majority of reasons would be from scum. I certainly could prove this. I see no reason to when literally anyone who's played with me (yourself included) knows it, and could research it themselves if they cared to.

I've been called out on seemingly-random changes in my readslists before. When called out, my response in all past games has been the same; if a change between them catches your eye, ask what shifted and I'll happily share. I'm not going to effort by explaining the change otherwise.

i want to see what YOU think is important to explain. of course people are currently giving you what you want, lets see where thread sentiment goes now that i see im not the only one that may have a perspective that you match your scumgames closer. granted, maybe HPE is hopping on bc you are town and its convenient, but I myself verified these games and know that i lean that they tell the truth regardless of alignment.


anyways i have reasons beyond that that align with your scumgame. just for you, i wont explain. it just matches better to your scumgame.