mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.

Bad take imo

[DkKoba]

i dont care bc if u are town here u dont even respect my arguments bc you arent even considering them or reading things I say seriously.

ok koba correct me if I'm misunderstanding you ok?


your argument is that ranger is mafia because she is not elaborating on her read on you and if she were town then she would elaborate on her read on you.

for your evidence you've provided one example of ranger!town in a completed game elaborating on a read.

now for that evidence to be conclusive - it would also have to be true that ranger!town in every completed game would have to elaborate on all of her reads[or reads when asked]

now if you think that's true we can go on to the next step of asking ranger if she's ever not elaborated on a read as town in a completed game.

Any issues?

ur not clearing ur partner off a gotcha, sorry. that is not my only reasoning

my scumread reasoning meets higher standards than others on me, so frankly idc

[DkKoba]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.

when have you ever seen theater like this? please link a game, i want to congratulate those players on being such great scum players.

[DkKoba]

how to play mafia when everyone keeps tossing out bad logic every other post

[DkKoba]

as far as yall are concerned, ranger vote is policy until they can properly verbalize reasoning for any of their scumreads that cites specifics and not just "lolz all of it"

[Doctor Drew]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.

Bad take imo

Theater, or Koba has done way more than smoke weed this weekend.

This is fake beyond fake from them......where I could be wrong is that Ranger might not be complicit in all this(ie not scum), and legit is trying to defend her point.

But either way, Koba is bad, very very bad......so bad I almost think they want to be limmed......which is there a jester type role that could be in play?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont care bc if u are town here u dont even respect my arguments bc you arent even considering them or reading things I say seriously.

ok koba correct me if I'm misunderstanding you ok?


your argument is that ranger is mafia because she is not elaborating on her read on you and if she were town then she would elaborate on her read on you.

for your evidence you've provided one example of ranger!town in a completed game elaborating on a read.

now for that evidence to be conclusive - it would also have to be true that ranger!town in every completed game would have to elaborate on all of her reads[or reads when asked]

now if you think that's true we can go on to the next step of asking ranger if she's ever not elaborated on a read as town in a completed game.

Any issues?

ur not clearing ur partner off a gotcha, sorry. that is not my only reasoning

my scumread reasoning meets higher standards than others on me, so frankly idc

1. I'm not "clearing" ranger - I'm just pointing out the hole in your logic - you can explain why its wrong or you can just be discrediting with a nonsense remark.

2. ofc I have different standards for different players. I've played lots of games with you and I've never played with ranger in my life.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.

Bad take imo

i disagree

it's at least an entertaining take

bad takes have to be dreadfully dull and also wrong

[DkKoba]

i dont care bc if u are town here u dont even respect my arguments bc you arent even considering them or reading things I say seriously.

ok koba correct me if I'm misunderstanding you ok?


your argument is that ranger is mafia because she is not elaborating on her read on you and if she were town then she would elaborate on her read on you.

for your evidence you've provided one example of ranger!town in a completed game elaborating on a read.

now for that evidence to be conclusive - it would also have to be true that ranger!town in every completed game would have to elaborate on all of her reads[or reads when asked]

now if you think that's true we can go on to the next step of asking ranger if she's ever not elaborated on a read as town in a completed game.

Any issues?

ur not clearing ur partner off a gotcha, sorry. that is not my only reasoning

my scumread reasoning meets higher standards than others on me, so frankly idc

1. I'm not "clearing" ranger - I'm just pointing out the hole in your logic - you can explain why its wrong or you can just be discrediting with a nonsense remark.

2. ofc I have different standards for different players. I've played lots of games with you and I've never played with ranger in my life.

ur making me fucking do 10x the work ofeveryone else. stop making me your explanation mule

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

drew claiming koba might be a jester is pretty lulzy

maybe drew is mafia because I usually only think he's funny when he's a bad guy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ur making me fucking do 10x the work ofeveryone else. stop making me your explanation mule

wtf is an explanation mule

[DkKoba]

as far as u are concerned until i get what i want from ranger, this is a policy push for disrespecting the players and refusing to engage in a way that is better readable

[DkKoba]

not_mafia is more readable than this bc at least his actions show his intentions

[Ranger]

Your reasoning is just circular, hence tautology

This is my bad. I may have misunderstood the meaning of tautology.
I'll say my reasoning isn't circular. "Why do you scumread me" "because you look like scum" isn't inherently circular. We can go into theory if you'd prefer; I believe you want this to be the focus of the discussion though:

I never said you had to have a slam dunk case on me or anyone else and I don't expect people to at this point, but if it's gut then you can say what pinged you or at the very least point out which posts pinged you

It is gut. I could probably point out what pinged. Right now, I don't feel like it. It's too much effort at this moment. I'll not give you false hopes and say "perhaps another time". There might not be any time I feel like it. I'll say if I feel like pointing out what pinged my gut, I will.

I realize it can be frustrating I'm choosing not to elaborate rn. As the game progresses, I'll either be inspired enough to provide my original initial reasons, or more likely, will share my newer reasons. I've no particular need to convince anyone of a read this early. When I feel there's a need to, I'll step up as much as I can.

[DkKoba]

holy shit can we please wagon ranger until they actually start playing

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: DkKoba
This one apologizes but that is such a weird fucking move to pull.

what is weird and why is it scummy

This one was briefly under the assumption that you were linking Bloodborne Mafia as it was firsthand experience you had with Ranger, but that is very much not the case and it's wondering why the hell you picked that game while claiming "i will always find the most recent game I can. The most recent Ranger scumgame was 2016." when it's not only much easier to find recent games compared to old games, but you also can just... check her wiki page, and from there quickly find her full list of played games. Granted, that page is very outdated, but it does still list a few newer scum games from her, namely Open 641, Open 644, and Micro 617. It's honestly kind of intriguing how you got to Bloodborne Mafia

specifically

and not one of her much more recent scum games OR one of these three later ones on her Played Games page. Either way it's OBJECTIVELY weird and feels like a very bad faith attempt at getting a metaread agreed with.

[Ranger]

the number 1 way to read people is to examine their process.

True enough.

I've strong reason to believe you're not doing so for me.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DkKoba
This one apologizes but that is such a weird fucking move to pull.

what is weird and why is it scummy

This one was briefly under the assumption that you were linking Bloodborne Mafia as it was firsthand experience you had with Ranger, but that is very much not the case and it's wondering why the hell you picked that game while claiming "i will always find the most recent game I can. The most recent Ranger scumgame was 2016." when it's not only much easier to find recent games compared to old games, but you also can just... check her wiki page, and from there quickly find her full list of played games. Granted, that page is very outdated, but it does still list a few newer scum games from her, namely Open 641, Open 644, and Micro 617. It's honestly kind of intriguing how you got to Bloodborne Mafia

specifically

and not one of her much more recent scum games OR one of these three later ones on her Played Games page. Either way it's OBJECTIVELY weird and feels like a very bad faith attempt at getting a metaread agreed with.

i told you my method for finding scum games.
i search for the scum PT then find the relevant game

why dont u just fucking ask why i got that game

[DkKoba]

the number 1 way to read people is to examine their process.

True enough.

I've strong reason to believe you're not doing so for me.

yeah something I can agree on because you dont have one to examine.

[DkKoba]

would be weird to read whats not there

[Ranger]

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

The only scumgame I've had since returning was the one you linked. I've been blessed with town alignments since. Perhaps someday, I'll receive another scumgame to not limit data to a single point. Alas, not yet.

You're correct about the oddity of DKKoba's focal point though.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DkKoba
This one apologizes but that is such a weird fucking move to pull.

what is weird and why is it scummy

This one was briefly under the assumption that you were linking Bloodborne Mafia as it was firsthand experience you had with Ranger, but that is very much not the case and it's wondering why the hell you picked that game while claiming "i will always find the most recent game I can. The most recent Ranger scumgame was 2016." when it's not only much easier to find recent games compared to old games, but you also can just... check her wiki page, and from there quickly find her full list of played games. Granted, that page is very outdated, but it does still list a few newer scum games from her, namely Open 641, Open 644, and Micro 617. It's honestly kind of intriguing how you got to Bloodborne Mafia

specifically

and not one of her much more recent scum games OR one of these three later ones on her Played Games page. Either way it's OBJECTIVELY weird and feels like a very bad faith attempt at getting a metaread agreed with.

i told you my method for finding scum games.
i search for the scum PT then find the relevant game

why dont u just fucking ask why i got that game

go to rangers profile. click "show users topics" go to page 2, scroll down until you see the first scum PT.

youre expecting me to sort by thread creation date?

[HighPrincessErinys]

i told you my method for finding scum games.
i search for the scum PT then find the relevant game

Then how did you miss this PT in favor of one not even on the first page of her topic search?

[DkKoba]

half the reason yall reach wrong conclusions in mafia is bc you dont care about seeing how someone else is perceiving what theyre doing and why

[DkKoba]

i told you my method for finding scum games.
i search for the scum PT then find the relevant game

Then how did you miss this PT in favor of one not even on the first page of her topic search?

bc I ctrl-F PT