mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[Meuh]

Yay like 10 new pages surely they are filled with enjoyable posts

[Meuh]

Drew still town, ofrhz town

[Meuh]

I think I'd be more tuned into this game if 90% of the posting wasn't terrible and also when I'm sleeping

[Meuh]

Blue's ISO looks pretty good to me tbh

[Meuh]

Like its approach to the game is definitely a bit odd but Blue seems like he's actively trying to solve I dunno

[Meuh]

I feel like there's enough concentrated scumminess in Koba/HPE that there's always a scum flip there

[Meuh]

I think I'd have a better grasp of Pooky if his ISO wasn't just composed of these dreadful back and forths

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I feel like there's enough concentrated scumminess in Koba/HPE that there's always a scum flip there

I think I'd have a better grasp of Pooky if his ISO wasn't just composed of these dreadful back and forths

You think my interaction with HPE and Koba could be scum theatre?

because like if one of those two is mafia there's pretty much no world in which I'm mafia with one of them.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I don't know if you can tell but by the end of last night I was livid because of the vast accumulation of insults thrown my way

that post where HPE accused me of being a "pig bastard" who is "gaslighting" koba was a real doozy

[Meuh]

I feel like there's enough concentrated scumminess in Koba/HPE that there's always a scum flip there

I think I'd have a better grasp of Pooky if his ISO wasn't just composed of these dreadful back and forths

You think my interaction with HPE and Koba could be scum theatre?

because like if one of those two is mafia there's pretty much no world in which I'm mafia with one of them.

PList is big enough and my understanding of the game is small enough for me to be fine with contradictory reads
I'm not someone who likes making full solves early on

[Meuh]

I'm not rly interested in a push on you anyways

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so you don't think there is definitely one mafia in HPE/Koba

[Meuh]

like I don't know if you can tell but by the end of last night I was livid because of the vast accumulation of insults thrown my way

that post where HPE accused me of being a "pig bastard" who is "gaslighting" koba was a real doozy

Yeah I'm aware

[Meuh]

ok so you don't think there is definitely one mafia in HPE/Koba

I think there are but I also don't feel enough confidence in my reads to clear you off of it and I'd rather have individual towniness from you than "Pooky is unlikely to be aligned with these players I find scummy (but whom I don't know their alignment)"

[Meuh]

Done reading this game is kinda wack lots of walls blended together for me. Basically I agree with the two Alisae SRs to kill BlueSnek and Koba for now but I wouldn't say I necessarily TR Ali yet. I feel like there are definitely some wolves operating in broad daylight this game (if that makes sense lol) and being manipulative and I'm not sure who looks trustworthy yet.

if you think the people ali is pushing is scum, then you should think ali is town. the cogdis should.. maybe tell u something

Which is also why I liked this Cakez post and disliked Koba's response here because his mentality is something I relate to

[Meuh]

Unless I'm willing to hedge the game on my read that there must be scum in Koba/HPE (I'm rarely confident enough to do that) then I'm not willing to clear you off of it

[Meuh]

Maybe I could find you positionally more likely to be town but I'd want at least some sort of grasp on your alignment individually

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok and what do you want for that?

[iamveryhappy]

anyone wanna confirm to me tthat there are no nks

[iamveryhappy]

anyone wanna confirm to me tthat there are no nks

confirmed no nks
I might consider claiming

[xyzzy]

my main takeaway from the last several pages is that pooky is town

[Dannflor]

Why is there such a large burden of proof assigned to the BlueSnakelet wagon that has not been applied to literally any other wagon in the game up until now?

I vaguely understand why dkkoba doesn't want a wagon there. They are going to be contrarian until they no longer feel attacked by Pooky, Alisae, et all.

But I find the soft defense by slots like HPE to be... icky.

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Spoiler: A Case Against BlueSnakelet

BlueSnakelet is posting to post - he's posting to look town - its posts do not fit the trajectory of a townie who "wants to be right" as Alisae puts it so well. I don't believe he's actually trying to solve the game. Just because it has loaded his posts with "nuance" does not in fact mean that his posts reflect a genuine desire to find scum.

This isn't an Ace Attorney game. We can't catch scum by just pointing out contradictions. In fact, scum creating a fake case on someone else would provably be more careful than a townie speaking their honest thoughts.

Koba picking an old game to analyze is at worst NAI.

Koba's reaction to being cornered and outnumbered was to get frustated and argue in circles, which is understandable. Ranger said at some point that Koba looks "argumentative, not frustrated". I disagree with this completely. Koba's side of the argument was heated from really early.

I was going to suspect Ranger, but her flaking out of her suspicion on Koba took me off guard. She was the main driving force of Koba's wagon, and I struggle to find a good reason why she would jump off. If a long time had passed since the start of the argument I could understand, but most of it happened overnight and most people weren't even on.

I doubt Koba and Ranger are scum together. The meta reason was too elaborated to be faked. And they walked out of the debate practically buddies, which is bad theater.

631 immediately pinged me because it's *too* transparent, while not consisting of much content either. At the end of this wall, I cannot tell where BlueSnakelet stands on either Ranger or Kkoba, except for the idea that they aren't buddies. Everything is "understandable," or "NAI." There are no hard opinions in this post. The biggest stance BlueSnakelet takes is that kkoba did not look argumentative.

But really, this post is a whole lot of nothing - and I would expect a townie who just read through the back and forth, who is genuinely thinking about people's alignments, would have some sort of firm opinion on *someone's* alignment. Or, at the very least, they would try to move closer to getting an opinion on someone's alignment if they didn't get anything from that back and forth. Keep in mind, BlueSnakelet hasn't even voted yet at this time. Instead, BlueSnakelet spends their time and effort on this post that says nothing.

What does the post do? It screams "look at me I'm so town!" The phrasing of "I was going to suspect Ranger" feels overly self aware. It wants people to know that it has had a thought process and change of mind about Ranger. I don't think townie's generally phrase posts like this. Townies aren't this self conscious about their thought processes. Wherever they end up on a slot, they are gonna share that. They'd just say, "I'm not suspecting Ranger." But that phrasing, and the post as a whole, feels like BlueSnakelet using a lot of words to show that he is "solving," while not really saying anything substantial at all.

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The rest of the ISO from BlueSnakelet just isn't proactive. He isn't any closer to finding a vote, and his questions to Pooky and Drew go nowhere. I don't see the point of them. So, I try to get BlueSnakelet to take a stance on someone by asking him about his vote and what he thinks about one of the top wagons.

Ok, I paid attention to ofrhz. Mostly the things It's Highness pointed out in #472.

I read Ranger and ofrhz combined ISOs. From #15 to #91 it's all Ranger (including her readlists). From #97 to #112 it's all ofrhz talking about things other than Ranger. The next post from either of them is ofrhz's "serious" vote on Ranger, which he later explains was because of Ranger's readlists.

I agree, this development makes 0 sense. ofrhz voted without a reason, and then invented a reason when questioned.

VOTE: ofrhz

762 is his response. And, idk man, this just feels like a post made to please me. Like, this reads like BlueSnakelet saw I was on this wagon and in response to me prodding him about it, just made up a reason to also think ofrhz is scum.

Does anyone actually think that naked voting is a scum tell? Because that is basically what this post by BlueSnakelet boils down to. I do not believe that BlueSnakelet actually believes in this case. It, again, smells like trying to look solvey without having any substance behind it.

Like, tbh, this post is one of the best town cases someone has made on ofrhz all game.

[Dannflor]

I would vote either HPE or BlueSnakelet right now.

I could probably be persuaded to vote Meuh - I haven't found her catch ups to be particularly towny.

I think Drew is town. I am increasingly thinking ofrhz can be town but the jury is still out.

[Alisae]

Dann probably doesn’t have to go this far if he’s bussing.
Hmm…

[Alisae]

I got my initial tr on hpe and stopped reading their posts.
Next time I get around the game ig I can re-read and focus on what they’re doing