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[bob3141]

still doesnt change the dynamic as it resolves around the other 11 players. if one was scum then there is still 2 scum available to cause a skew in the wagons. Doesnt prevent one being scum but does make it more likely as more often than not scum would try and skew the lead wagin to be away from thier partner

[Looker]

They would be disappointing because I'm a liar: I said I would read and I haven't. I don't want to vote with iamveryhappy because they didn't assist my entrance into the game (nothing personal), so I'm voting against them. Political Clout at least told me what the claims were.

Don’t you mean Hu Tao?

Also it was me who you are referring to on the claims question, unless PC was in your PT. I also forgot to mention RNs claim at the time, ie- the proverbial elephant in the room.

I don’t care how scummy Greetings spot was, I’m willing to give Looker more time if he’s willing to put it in.

I won’t be voting for anyone besides PC.

iamveryhappy was voting Starfire, so I voted with Starfire (who was voting Hu Tao). It didn't look beneficial to start a wagon on iamveryhappy.

and yes, it was you, the orangutan - the adjective/noun names are throwing me off.

i agree with bob that the stalemate needs to be thrown off, and that's kind of what i was doing with my vote for hu tao.

[Save The Dragons]

still doesnt change the dynamic as it resolves around the other 11 players. if one was scum then there is still 2 scum available to cause a skew in the wagons. Doesnt prevent one being scum but does make it more likely as more often than not scum would try and skew the lead wagin to be away from thier partner

or all three are scum

or bella and starfire and looker are scum

or one of them are scum anyway

or

[bob3141]

still doesnt change the dynamic as it resolves around the other 11 players. if one was scum then there is still 2 scum available to cause a skew in the wagons. Doesnt prevent one being scum but does make it more likely as more often than not scum would try and skew the lead wagin to be away from thier partner

or all three are scum

or bella and starfire and looker are scum

or one of them are scum anyway

or

All 3 of those examples would create movement of some sort. When there is no movement and one is scum then the most likely explanation is that the lead ones are town and the trailing one is the scum player.

[bob3141]

So in the cases of little movement it can be due to vanity voting as scum are playing for flash execution at deadline. Town players have tendancy to creat deadlocks while scum have the tendancy to break deadlocks. (not about order of votes) all due to difference in informed and uninformed

[Save The Dragons]

in my first two examples scum literally can't create movement because they aren't even here

[bob3141]

Yimmy you havent cast a single vote so far. So who do you have as town, nulll and scum?

[bob3141]

in my first two examples scum literally can't create movement because they aren't even here

town is never that lucky

[Civil Scum]

They would be disappointing because I'm a liar: I said I would read and I haven't. I don't want to vote with iamveryhappy because they didn't assist my entrance into the game (nothing personal), so I'm voting against them. Political Clout at least told me what the claims were.

Don’t you mean Hu Tao?

Also it was me who you are referring to on the claims question, unless PC was in your PT. I also forgot to mention RNs claim at the time, ie- the proverbial elephant in the room.

I don’t care how scummy Greetings spot was, I’m willing to give Looker more time if he’s willing to put it in.

I won’t be voting for anyone besides PC.

iamveryhappy was voting Starfire, so I voted with Starfire (who was voting Hu Tao). It didn't look beneficial to start a wagon on iamveryhappy.

and yes, it was you, the orangutan - the adjective/noun names are throwing me off.

i agree with bob that the stalemate needs to be thrown off, and that's kind of what i was doing with my vote for hu tao.

Ok, I see, why not vote for one of the leading wagons then? Might I suggest the one not on someone who has been gone for 5 days and is being replaced and who it isn’t even clear why anyone is voting for them.

[Civil Scum]

Scum moving too opportunistically could be too telling. I’m not buying this wagonomic malarkey, although I admit to being new to it.

[Civil Scum]

A no lim is a decent result for scum rather than appear too opportunistic I’ll point out.

[bob3141]

There is different between scum moving and scum skewing teh deck. Scum could be first, second and third vote and still have that effect

think 3 balls and 13 cups. The scum know where 3 and 10 are so naturaly skew the deck

[bob3141]

if scum are not threatened they also dont make waves

[Civil Scum]

Bob, you were right about PC not trying to sort out Naerys. He voted Greeting without trying to sort him either.

Don’t talk yourself out of this one

[Civil Scum]

They would be disappointing because I'm a liar: I said I would read and I haven't. I don't want to vote with iamveryhappy because they didn't assist my entrance into the game (nothing personal), so I'm voting against them. Political Clout at least told me what the claims were.

If you meant CS instead of PC, I don’t really see what that has to do with Hu Tao or IAVH?

[Civil Scum]

Bob, couldn’t the scum be reluctant to move if they were moving from town to scum?

Looker, ok I see it now. Since you meant CS, maybe you’ll vote PC with me?

[Civil Scum]

Bob I don’t follow this at all. And I’m very confident it will be disproved this time.

[bob3141]

Bob I don’t follow this at all. And I’m very confident it will be disproved this time.

its not an exact science and can be quite difficult to see which of the options it is. for example it can be caused by hard scum counter wagon, absent players all being down, all wagons on town or scum playing for deadline.

Most cases imply a town starfire though.

[bob3141]

Its one of those things that hard to read day one but with more flips it get easier to read what the dynamic was.

[KatyKimFanClub]

There’s too many assumptions going on for me to have any real change of opinion on the leading wagons. We’re talking replacements and the weekend.

I agree that we will get good associative info for later days though.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Also, it’s generally hard for scum to extricate themselves from votes in stalled game scenarios like last weekend.

[Political Clout]

There’s too many assumptions going on for me to have any real change of opinion on the leading wagons. We’re talking replacements and the weekend.

I agree that we will get good associative info for later days though.

What assumptions are you talking about

[KatyKimFanClub]

Bob's assumptions about the current wagon.

Mainly the one that scum would have broken a deadlock if one of the players on the wagon is scum.

[KatyKimFanClub]

I could see town!Bob doing this, since he seems largely interested in playing the game from a mathematical perspective motivated by such assumptions, but it also just seems weirdly arbitrary. Like why are Starfire, PC, and Bella, in particular, town when there were earlier wagons that similarly stalled (Greeting, Naerys)?

[KatyKimFanClub]

Its interesting that the lead wagons have been pretty static for the last 3-4 days and neither of them have hit the 4 vote mark. Its very much a strong signs that we have entirely missed the mark and that starfire, pc and bella are all town.

Aren't you voting for PC?