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[camelCasedSnivy]

wait fuck i cant count

[Cat Scratch Fever]

because if FL dies I would rather sheep them sooner

however, if they are scum and confess, i think it should be an ok deal

What's your read on Marci though?

[camelCasedSnivy]

it was about null before marci starting giving up which its probably scum

still willing to pivot to RCE or maybe someone else

[Deal With The Devil]

i do think there's some merit in enchant/marci/snivy,

but idk really why, just a gut feeling i had, but im not interested in snivy wagon or even an enchant wagon right now

getting big vibes on this a little right now tbh.

Snivy protecting Marci kinda unnaturally.

Snivy is voting marci, how is he protecting her?

- Alianna

Drew would also like a response to this

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[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have a similar vibe that he's a little reluctant to be on the Marci wagon from 1867 and constantly saying he's willing to pivot elsewhere

I didn't really get the impression that he scum read Marci until his post on this page

[camelCasedSnivy]

i was a bit reluctant at first and then marci decided to be kind enough to reassure me that she is indeed scum with her following posts

[Deal With The Devil]

You seemed reluctant here...

VOTE: marci

true i guess

im willing to pivot to RCE if enough people are up for it

...and then this is the only post marci made afterwards...

marci if you're like willing to listen to me, i'd like to hear more about your thoughts on cakez and aureal?

the cakez read is sodraining to explain but i just feel it in my bones so i decided to stop with explaining it all together since nobodylikes that read.

did you read my spoiler thingy btw because im too drained after writing that too LOL

...and then you still seemed like you were looking to pivot here.

what about Enchant

havent read them either

Unless we're looking at completely different posts, that doesn't really line up. Which posts, exactly, are you saying reassured you that marci is scum?

- Alianna

[camelCasedSnivy]

wow im misremembering, i remember as if i had already voted here. alas, it was these

lets power through me today make me the lim

because flavor leafs mean

wagons dont really inspire me to want to do more tbh

marcistar is an anomaly that nobody can read!! much more useful if shes just dead and out of the way instead of distracting town

+

also helpful because of lack of having to deal with flavor leaf anymore!! XOXO

[camelCasedSnivy]

this seems like scum trying to appear ballsy

[Deal With The Devil]

wow im misremembering, i remember as if i had already voted here. alas, it was these

lets power through me today make me the lim

because flavor leafs mean

wagons dont really inspire me to want to do more tbh

marcistar is an anomaly that nobody can read!! much more useful if shes just dead and out of the way instead of distracting town

+

also helpful because of lack of having to deal with flavor leaf anymore!! XOXO

You didn't seem like you were reassured that marci was scum then.

lets power through me today make me the lim

because flavor leafs mean

would marci say this as scum ugh

VOTE: marci

true i guess

- Alianna

[camelCasedSnivy]

1868 was in response to FL

1862 i mean, sure you got me there i guess

seems pretty obvious i was pinged by it though

[Deal With The Devil]

It really wasn't. It looked like you were doubting that that post would come from scum but then sheeped FL somewhat reluctantly and would have happily pivoted to someone else. You did not look like you wanted to be voting marci.

- Alianna

[camelCasedSnivy]

ok

[Deal With The Devil]

Definitely not townreading Snivy after that.

- Alianna

[Flavor Leaf]

i do think there's some merit in enchant/marci/snivy,

but idk really why, just a gut feeling i had, but im not interested in snivy wagon or even an enchant wagon right now

getting big vibes on this a little right now tbh.

Snivy protecting Marci kinda unnaturally.

Snivy is voting marci, how is he protecting her?

- Alianna

Drew would also like a response to this

-

It’s more on actions than the vote.

It was clear in Snivy’s posts they were trying to pivot off of Marci.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not ready to fully believe that team or anything, but it was worth noting in my ISO.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m happy with Marci today.

I think we should line up Marci to E-2 (like how they are now), get Torture at 6, with someone who plans to hammer Marci on it, Trading Post at 4.

Put Marci to E-1, then have the Marci Hammerer move from Torture to Trading Post to get them equal to 5, and then hammer.

[Deal With The Devil]

Why do you want to organize the project votes (Torture and Trading Outpost) that way?

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

i do think there's some merit in enchant/marci/snivy,

but idk really why, just a gut feeling i had, but im not interested in snivy wagon or even an enchant wagon right now

getting big vibes on this a little right now tbh.

Snivy protecting Marci kinda unnaturally.

Snivy is voting marci, how is he protecting her?

- Alianna

Drew would also like a response to this

-

It’s more on actions than the vote.

It was clear in Snivy’s posts they were trying to pivot off of Marci.

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion when I talked to him on this page.

- Alianna

[Flavor Leaf]

Why do you want to organize the project votes (Torture and Trading Outpost) that way?

- Alianna

We just already have a lot on Torture, and I like the people on the Torture council as is.

It doesn’t have to be that way, but it just seemed like the easiest way to automatically get it, because in theory, Marci Scum could mess with it last minute and mess it all up.

[Enchant]

Yeah, I’m happy with Marci today.

I think we should line up Marci to E-2 (like how they are now), get Torture at 6, with someone who plans to hammer Marci on it, Trading Post at 4.

Put Marci to E-1, then have the Marci Hammerer move from Torture to Trading Post to get them equal to 5, and then hammer.

I fail to see reason to do that. Doing things for sake of doing things.

[Aureal]

i noted that in my post! i just wanted a bit more detail out of the read? like, what posts are you referring to that you think scum meow wouldn't write

I really don't have the energy to try to go back and figure this sort of thing at the moment, sorry. I don't know what 'scum meow' would write, but repeatedly thinking the same way is a pretty typical way to gain a townread on someone and I think I've noted several points where this has been the case.

and i mean idk with the marci stuff don't you think scum fl could have been genuinely frustrated with marci? like i don't think he was like going out of his way to appeal to emotion in that situation but i've seen before that he can get heated as scum and like... i def understand how you could townlean that sequence for fl but i don't get such a high level of confidence?

If you have specific examples I'll be happy to take a look. I said before that if it's not true then people here who are more familiar with him ought to be able to disprove it, so feel free to show me. I'm inclined to believe it because I feel like if I ever manage to get a scum PM again, Righteous Anger Mode is not something I'm going to really be able to use there so I can understand that someone else doesn't do that.

Do you expect that FL would be willing to bus a teammate here to get out of the torture action being used on him?

[Aureal]

and fwiw my thoughts on cakez are

- i was fine with most of his d1 posting, i didn't like strongly townread him but generally didn't like the wagon much
- i think without the prolonged pressure on him his posting has been a lot worse
- not really sure what he sees re: an agenda in infinity posting about the sacrifice ability? could see him as scum on that wagon i guess
- i think the profanity in response to the 4 scum reveal especially 1467 felt a little fake to me especially since he kinda clearly isn't invested in this game? just feels a bit over the top considering it seems like he shouldn't care that much.
- i don't like the comparative total lack of momentum after he stops getting pushed
- i think of cakez as not that much of a mechanically orientated player so i'm not a big fan of him delving into the mech d2 at the expense of other content
- i thought of the mech posts, 1484 was the most interesting but there are obvious issues in the implementation (eg deciding lims in advance) and his lack of like, really tackling that makes me think it's not that towny
- i think town can often do the 'oh i have no scumreads game hard' thing and i was townleaning it from cakez earlier but enough people are doing it this game that i don't really feel like buying into it right now
- in general, it can be difficult to differentiate between demotivated town and demotivated scum but i think cakez is worth looking at and considering how much he was a focus d1 i was surprised that most people haven't seemed interested d2 even after my vote which i thought might provoke discussion

You're definitely making me think more about Cakez now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m happy with Marci today.

I think we should line up Marci to E-2 (like how they are now), get Torture at 6, with someone who plans to hammer Marci on it, Trading Post at 4.

Put Marci to E-1, then have the Marci Hammerer move from Torture to Trading Post to get them equal to 5, and then hammer.

I fail to see reason to do that. Doing things for sake of doing things.

ahhh, i seee what yer sayin, ya wannna see the ol peek a roo, the bing bop polly wop, the shallow of my hallows.

well, ill let ya drink a swig of milk, thats for sure, i get ya

ya a wild one

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Merlyn can tell ya how when I'm scum, if anyone on my team is going down, it's gonna be me.

I'm hard anti-bus unless it's a chosen bus play.