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[skitter30]

I never at any point this game thought pooky was actually solving

Probably sums up my issue with him

[skitter30]

I was equivivating kn waiting for a replacement
Pooky was for replacement
Medeia was for voting you out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like as much as i love playing mafia theres no way i say to skitter in the scum pt "hey lets say no to the win here so maybe we can get a fresh body to fuck with for another few days" when medeia is like "we need to kill this slot b4 it gets replaced"

[skitter30]

Yeah ...

[skitter30]

I just tell medeia - yeah let's just do it!!!!1!
Boom game over before you get here if ur town

[skitter30]

I never at any point this game thought pooky was actually solving

Probably sums up my issue with him

Or even like cared abt the outcome of any of the flips

Like if he's town he does have that vibe early on but usually at some point he switches to solving/winning/need to get it right mode
(And that's when i can start to townrwad him)

He never did that here

[bloodhail]

did u even read how medeia was talking to me/skitter

there was no paranoia

she was practically begging us to yeet your slot before replacement

yeah, of course i saw it - it was one of the first things i commented on when i replaced in because my initial gut view of it was that it was scummy from her

i still don't feel comfortable clearing you on that basis - i hope you can understand this from me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have no idea how you think i dont care

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ur not clearing me

you r clearing skitter/pooky as a team

because we would have already won

there is no point to not winning

it is nonsensical to say a team that could have won has decided to forgo winning

[skitter30]

Don't care isnt quite right
But i never got the vibe you were investing in solving/getting the game right/flipping scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am obviously invested this is ludicrioys

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the idea that i have put less thought into solving the game when i have considered pretty much every combination of slots possible when ur continually tunneled on me is absurd.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you truly believe i am mafia go ahead and vote me

[skitter30]

I meant like at any point day1-day3
And yes you're going through the motions now but like
Doesnt really feel real
Or like you want to get it right

As your stated goal this elo is literally to make me make the choice
And you apparently don't want to

Also wrt the tunnel i can easily say the same thing that I'm considering all other slots today etc

[medeia]

the question i have to ask you is - why are you alive? since random nurse was eliminated, scum have had free reign over the nightkills. If you are alive in ELO, there are two possibilities - scum are either hoping to make you misvote, or they are hoping to get you voted out so they can win. The latter is clearly not the case - i don't think anyone to this point had seriously entertained the possibility of voting you. T3 just did but i think that came out of literally nowhere.

so, you are here because scum are counting on you to vote wrong. that should tell you, at a minimum, that one of your reads is wrong. if pooky/skitter are TvT and scum were hoping to leave them alive so they would tunnel each other (and from your POV i think this is a reasonable concern to have), why does a chicago/T3 team leave you alive, and not brassherald? brass was very open about scumreading pooky, this game is a free win for that team if they simply NK you and let him vote pooky. i don't think that scumteam ever leaves you alive here. and i desperately need you to consider that.

i think latter would almost never be the case, like if t3/chicagotypewriter they had no actual plan for winning the game and were just hoping town would lose it, and if skitter or pooky is a scums they'd just be betting against me solving it and trying to get me voted out and in doing so just giving me the solve would be ????????? like i may be generally useless but i cannot imagine either of them thinking pushing me would be best course of action or, like, pleasant i guess

okay so reasons i can think of that i am alive

could be that i am pocketed by skitter like you say

could also be that someone wanted me to think this and play towards my natural inclination for paranoia (very unlikely from t3 or chicagotypewriter but possible for pooky)

could be that the mechanical implications of killing me / confirming i am town and such would have implicated chicagotypewriter (you)

which like, impossible from your perspective but yeah

could also be to give impression of such, but that just seems like questionable course of action

like skitter was the only one generally considering 3 town pr world so would probably have killed her if playing towards this goal while leaving me alive?

but again, nightkill analysis +/

which like, you say chicagotypewriter never leaves me alive but the mechanical implications thing seems very possible to me

[medeia]

- the night kills are so bizarre and i don't know who makes these, or why. It's a point against everyone so at this point i'm just discounting it and ignoring it. Those kills don't make sense from anyone's perspective

i guess to me last night's is different because instead of like potential wifom i can maybe see it type things but that one like scum!pooky would have had clear path that'd be hard to miss if partnered with t3

Can you translate this please?

it is mostly this:

I don't know who medeia was going to vote coming into today

Honestly if i'm scum with pooky to kill medeia and have brass vote ct with me

but extended to you/t3 and pooky/t3 as well

like you were the only one heavily weighing three pr world right

so if you're a scums with either t3 or pooky

you know that noone has an objection to just kill me eliminate chicagotypewriter

and that's the same for pooky/t3 like they don't have to win you over they have brassherald right

[medeia]

so it's like, would have just been choosing this elo instead of that one and it's just so hard to see

[medeia]

medeia - i have to ask - you have suggested that the interactions between chicago and T3 could have been a distancing routine. you also mentioned previous experience with chicago in a newbie game where he was mafia. i just went to check, and how he treated his partner there was

completely unlike

how he treated T3 this game. I have to ask - why do you think that would possibly be partnered? while it's possible he'd try to change things, since he got caught out on his play around his partner that game (i'm assuming - haven't confirmed), it's generally incredibly rare for players to do something like a complete 180 in their tactics as scum. most players don't evolve that fast, people's minds don't work that way. for the most part people's tendencies are very slow to change.

chicagotypewriter's approach to the readslist seemed very different from his town games like the focus on reevaluating rvs read and other thoughts being withheld and such seemed unnatural for him

and i was looking specifically for if they were potentially partnered and not fully considering how chicagotypewriter had previously approached partners, though i do not know if the conclusion would have been all that different as it being possible felt more likely than scum!pooky taking path of most resistance i guess

[Invisibility]

VC 4.05

Not voting: skitter30, T3, medeia, bloodhail, PookyTheMagicalBear

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to eliminate someone. Day 4 ends in (expired on 2023-08-19 22:29:47).

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ct is relatively new

t3 is a bus happy vet

theres no reason why t3 couldnt have just told ct hey we should bus each other and ct listened to him.

[medeia]

theres no reason why t3 couldnt have just told ct hey we should bus each other and ct listened to him.

yeah

also seems possible that t3 could have helped with claim as he's modded and such but that's true of you/skitter as well

[skitter30]

so it's like, would have just been choosing this elo instead of that one and it's just so hard to see

I mean someone apparently chose this elo
I have no idea who or why tho

My pooky/t3 reason is the best one i've come up with

[medeia]

- the night kills are so bizarre and i don't know who makes these, or why. It's a point against everyone so at this point i'm just discounting it and ignoring it. Those kills don't make sense from anyone's perspective

i guess to me last night's is different because instead of like potential wifom i can maybe see it type things but that one like scum!pooky would have had clear path that'd be hard to miss if partnered with t3

Can you translate this please?

it is mostly this:

I don't know who medeia was going to vote coming into today

Honestly if i'm scum with pooky to kill medeia and have brass vote ct with me

but extended to you/t3 and pooky/t3 as well

like you were the only one heavily weighing three pr world right

so if you're a scums with either t3 or pooky

you know that noone has an objection to just kill me eliminate chicagotypewriter

and that's the same for pooky/t3 like they don't have to win you over they have brassherald right

and all of the counterarguments i can think of would be easily dismissed by scum!you or scum!pooky

like 'why would i do that if it implicates me' > 'well you were afraid of check catching your partner and sac'ed to prevent total loss'

[medeia]

so it's like, would have just been choosing this elo instead of that one and it's just so hard to see

I mean someone apparently chose this elo
I have no idea who or why tho

My pooky/t3 reason is the best one i've come up with

well yes i know

what is reason again? i'm sorry

[bloodhail]

I never at any point this game thought pooky was actually solving

Probably sums up my issue with him

Or even like cared abt the outcome of any of the flips

Like if he's town he does have that vibe early on but usually at some point he switches to solving/winning/need to get it right mode
(And that's when i can start to townrwad him)

He never did that here

okay - that's a little more interesting to me than "pooky scum because wrong" - that type of argument is unpersuasive to me because it gets said on me and it pisses me off cuz im not that good. idk, i probably need to reread him