Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[Aristeia]

maybe I was better when I like actually thought I knew what I was doing

[Aristeia]

Tlich can you give me some examples of games you've replaced into to read?

[TemporalLich]

Tlich can you give me some examples of games you've replaced into to read?

Just this one: viewtopic.php?t=90478

[TemporalLich]

if I get quickhammered for that, I highly doubt Aristeia is town

[Aristeia]

you already have me at lockscum dear you dont need to scumread me more

[TemporalLich]

I'm approximately 80% confident you're scum

[TemporalLich]

it still is D1 so reads can change wildly

[Aristeia]

thanks

[TemporalLich]

thing is the game is stalled and it is D1 so I want to end the day quickly

[Aristeia]

i dont really see why temporal lich would double down on his scumread of me when i can just vote him if hes mafia because it seems not conducive to his survival

[Aristeia]

why do you want to end the day quickly?

[TemporalLich]

why do you want to end the day quickly?

the game needs momentum and I highly doubt I'll be able to get any more reads before the end of day

also I'm at E-1 so I either need to take 0% of the possible risks or 200% of the possible risks I could take

[Aristeia]

sigh

[Aristeia]

your read on me is wrong

your read on ausuka is more likely wrong than not.

i am trying to pull you out of this hole you dug for yourself.

I don't understand your mindset at all but thats probably my fault.

I think you are pretty likely to get voted out and the more time that goes by the worse it is going to be so can you please just claim.

[TemporalLich]

your read on me is wrong

your read on ausuka is more likely wrong than not.

i am trying to pull you out of this hole you dug for yourself.

Congrats you just created an associative and if you flip scum I'm voting Ausuka because of that associative.

Saying I'm wrong isn't convincing because scum could easily say that to appear towny.

I don't understand your mindset at all but thats probably my fault.

I must be playing well then if my mindset is inscrutable.

I think you are pretty likely to get voted out and the more time that goes by the worse it is going to be so can you please just claim.

Why would I claim early? You haven't declared intent to hammer so a claim would still be early.

[Aristeia]

intent

[Aristeia]

I'm not going to flip scum

[Aristeia]

the whole point of playing town is to show people your mindset so we can figure out your alignment and whether to listen to you

[TemporalLich]

i claim VT

pedit: saying you're not scum doesn't mean you're not scum

anyway, if my mindset is obvious the scum will think I'm town so I'd not be able to give reads based on VCA or realized associatives or mechanics

[Aristeia]

the scum already know you're town

[Aristeia]

yes i am aware saying i'm not scum doesn't mean i am not scum thank you

[TemporalLich]

the scum already know you're town

you're saying that like a traitor is 200% impossible in a micro

[Aristeia]

yes tlich i am the traitor who is looking for my team you've caught me

[Aristeia]

now I'm waiting for them to signal me so I can quickhammer you

[DragonEater70]

Okay guys sorry for basically not posting yesterday, I have been rereading the entire thread and here are a few points I would like to make:

I kinda townread Marci. I randomly decided to meta-dive her and she feels in her town meta (but I admit I have not found scum games yet so this is pending further research work)

Also, I want to vote Temporal Lich for several reasons.

Like, I reread Skitter's posts and I can kinda see now why their posting could be seen as scummy, but I still think the way Shea pushed it didn't make sense and was more likely to come from scum than from town.

Then, this exchange:

What do you think of DragonEater?

i guess lean scum if i had to give a read? the tr on skitt felt a bit surface level and the vote on your slot didn't make a lot of sense to me.

Any thoughts on my slot vs. skitter?

not really anything new? we still feel like skitt being like "scum probably doesn't claim miller like that and you should think that too" is towny for her, and not much has really changed since then except some more townvibes from her. from your&shea's side, i obviously don't agree with the push on her but it doesn't seem particularly scummy or anything, and generally we're having trouble sorting your slot cause we're just out of sync with both of you. there were some things that raised some eyebrows (focusing on our initial questioning of datisi rather than his response and our unvote, the questioning of marci) but it could very easily still be playstyle.

That post gives me townvibes. It feels honest and real. And I may be slightly biased because I started exploring my own Elements/Dragon paranoia earlier today so I liked that Infinity is also feeling that

I had to go back and look over Infinity's iso because I remember getting bad vibes from them. Some of the posts and positions feel diplomatic in a way and I think that's what also felt off with Dats. If Infinity is scum then they are really good at it, but I think I'm leaning town here after a small reread

focusing on our initial questioning of datisi rather than his response and our unvote, the questioning of marci

I had to look back at this too. I realize now that I didn't answer your question in 226, instead I just kinda said what I was thinking about your slot because when you engaged with me then I had just been looking at 151 like right before that. I just reread over you/Datisi interactions around this and I didn't really feel anything. I'm getting vibes that Datisi feels different than other games I've played with him but I'm not sure if that's alignment indicative really. None of my reads are really strong at this point tbh

As far as questioning marci, I'm not sure why that's odd, but I sort people better when I engage with them. So yeah maybe it is a playstyle thing

-Night

I can explain why I think Dragon's slot might be scum tomorrow but I have to leave for the night

For now I'm taking over our vote

VOTE: DragonEater70

That post gives me townvibes. It feels honest and real. And I may be slightly biased because I started exploring my own Elements/Dragon paranoia earlier today so I liked that Infinity is also feeling that

mmm really? i basically said "this slot is basically null but a couple things pinged me" which feels like a very different thing than paranoia. if you're town and actually felt something related that's ok haha just feels a bit weird

As far as questioning marci, I'm not sure why that's odd, but I sort people better when I engage with them. So yeah maybe it is a playstyle thing

yeah just the way you engaged came off as a bit aggressive, but if you didn't realize they were having trouble getting into the game that's fine. but this response feels a bit diplomatic if you think i was saying engaging with people is scummy?

mmmmmm

wonder what others think about this post

I don't know, it kinda feels partnered to me?

VOTE: skitter30

this exchange made me feel like skitter isn't really trying to sort me, instead i'm getting the feeling she just wants me to talk more so she can continue to paint me in a bad light. and i think scum are generally more concerned with keeping tabs on who trs/srs who. the obsession with my vote on Infinity and her trying to pry how i feel about the slot probably comes from scum here. my skitter tr was based on how i've seen skitter play as town before and also a couple of posts in her interaction with shea that felt genuine. i'm sure scumskitter is perfectly capable of mimicing this

This a really weird post when Skitter has literally been asking questions which are clearly aimed at sorting the slot?

black's progression on the last two pages is probably an indication that 390 was a scumslip

-ace

scumslips mostly don't exist

-ivy, ash

we'll probably discuss in-sys/iso the slot/outsource the read to someone else atp

Okay maybe not partnered? But I do agree that it makes Night Shade look bad.

Also, I thought about this:

explain how a town player makes 366 because that post is fabricated reads

What's the point in scumreading your own slot? If you're town, then how does that help town?

partially I'm not sure, partially deflection, mostly there because I was catching up and noticed that post was scummy and needed to comment on it

And I realized it's probably scummy because when I'm town I always assume that I am town. Like I would say "assuming I'm town then it's clear that X is lying and therefore is scum". I only say things like "If I'm scum then X is town" or "scum!me should have killed skitter rather than no killed" (actual quote btw from a newbie game) when I am scum.
I know Temporal Lich is not me but like as a town you KNOW that you/your slot is town so you CAN'T think your reads are fabricated, unless you are scum pretending to be town.

Also, like I said before I do agree that Black's reads in 366 are fabricated and I explained why I don't like them.
So with that,
VOTE: TemporalLich
E-1


There's also a few other things I wanted to say but I think I'll say them later because right now I'm shirking my real life responsibilities in order to write this post.