Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[Flavor Leaf]

Doctor Drew can gunsmith Bianco tomorrow night if necessary, since Bianco said they dont have a gun with babysitter.

[usesPython]

I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

You can't seem to decide if you're pushing us as SK or Mafia huh

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

You can't seem to decide if you're pushing us as SK or Mafia huh

i really can't.

i can see cases for both, but i think i lean SK.

[Flavor Leaf]

if yall wanna see a game i actually am scum and control the game...

viewtopic.php?t=90993

pokemon large theme just ended, we got 5 straight misfades, and would have gotten a perfect scum game with all 5 alive with night kill, but a BP screwed us

but we had planned for that, and knew if that happened some of us would go down based on a gambit we played, but we won once we got a specific misfade that happened a few day phases later.

[usesPython]

if yall wanna see a game i actually am scum and control the game...

viewtopic.php?t=90993

pokemon large theme just ended, we got 5 straight misfades, and would have gotten a perfect scum game with all 5 alive with night kill, but a BP screwed us

but we had planned for that, and knew if that happened some of us would go down based on a gambit we played, but we won once we got a specific misfade that happened a few day phases later.

you got 3 lims, a modkill, and Black selfvoting in ELO and quitting the site and the only reason it wasn't a town sweep was cause Not Mafia got mislimmed at the end when Merlyn was consensus scum, it was very much a close game instead of what you just described

[Flavor Leaf]

lol?

we almost won a 23p large on night 5....lol.

you're seeing what you wanna see.

the effects of the gambit worked, but the bp shot, made us guilted after the gambit.

[usesPython]

I mean you do you but me personally I wouldn't call modkill into town selfvote in ELO a deliberate strategy

[Infinity 324]

I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

the problem is if you're sk with std maf, I don't think it's the case but I want to play around it. so I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with you "clearing" std

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

the problem is if you're sk with std maf, I don't think it's the case but I want to play around it. so I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with you "clearing" std

well, python would flip SK probs in that scenario.

i think it's end game.

[Flavor Leaf]

and Snivy would be loyal checking me Infinity.

[Flavor Leaf]

im not interested in blocking python for what its worth. i think they have a go around

[Infinity 324]

I'm way more confident std is scum than either you or python and it's weirding me out that neither of you agree. whichever one of you is town should realize that the correct play here is to lim std

pedit: oh yeah wait

[usesPython]

I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

the problem is if you're sk with std maf, I don't think it's the case but I want to play around it. so I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with you "clearing" std

maf!FL would also be able to get away with it since it's not like SK!STD will be going "um ackhually I wasn't RBd because my kill went through"

[usesPython]

I'm way more confident std is scum than either you or python and it's weirding me out that neither of you agree. whichever one of you is town should realize that the correct play here is to lim std

pedit: oh yeah wait

Case STD for us? We don't see it

[usesPython]

maf!FL would also be able to get away with it since it's not like SK!STD will be going "um ackhually I wasn't RBd because my kill went through"

and town!STD wouldn't be able to tell if he was RBd since he has no action anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

if STD is scum, theyre caught with the play, especially if you doc bianco. and if theyre town and framed we geta. no kill

[Infinity 324]

the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

[usesPython]

the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

[Infinity 324]

I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

the problem is if you're sk with std maf, I don't think it's the case but I want to play around it. so I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with you "clearing" std

maf!FL would also be able to get away with it since it's not like SK!STD will be going "um ackhually I wasn't RBd because my kill went through"

right I keep forgetting it's not actually a clear if one scum no kills or runs into a protect

[usesPython]

the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

Like STD could have also been any of

Town Night 50 Cop

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Mafia Lazy Traitor Strongman

Doesn't the lazy here apply to both the traitor and the strongman? If I'm not mistaken, that would result in both the traitor and the strongman roles being disabled when they are the last scum left. Traitor can't perform the factional kill, so the strongman there does nothing. It might need to be Mafia Strongman Lazy Traitor instead.

Oh dang, you're right, will edit

Town Informed night 5 Informed night 3 compulsive combined Vigilante Bodyguard

You are Informed that, on Night 5, you will be informed of a list of all the players not aligned with the Town.

On Night 3, you must target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will attempt to kill your target. Moreover, you will protect your target from one kill attempt and you will die in their place.

this is essentially a N3 compulsive Quitter that discovers the whole list of antitown players on N5 if they somehow manage to survive anyway

Town One-shot Loyal Fruit Vendor Night Nine Vigilante Miller

And played the exact same way, it's not like there's only Backup Cop that makes the game make sense in a town!STD world

[Infinity 324]

the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

I can go look but I'm not sure whether or not this is relevant. like those other shitty roles aren't possibilities because std didn't claim them right?

maybe this is a weird monty hall thing and std is like 80% scum instead of like 95%

[camelCasedSnivy]

so i can read this later but seems like good mech talk

invis still hasnt claimed they could be something useful too

[Infinity 324]

I'd like thoughts from drew snivy invis if y'all can follow this

pedit: oh ok cool and forgot

[usesPython]

the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

I can go look but I'm not sure whether or not this is relevant. like those other shitty roles aren't possibilities because std didn't claim them right?

maybe this is a weird monty hall thing and std is like 80% scum instead of like 95%

To put an extreme example, if there were 99 gunsmith guilty town roles and 1 gunsmith inno town role then a gunsmith guilty would be basically meaningless. The more roles STD could have claimed that explain the play the less likely we are to be in a "STD is scum because the only town!STD world requires incredibly low probability things to have occurred" world

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm way more confident std is scum than either you or python and it's weirding me out that neither of you agree. whichever one of you is town should realize that the correct play here is to lim std

pedit: oh yeah wait

i dont agree because scumSTD is stopped by me generally anyways. You're just paranoid in case I am scum that it isn't, but from my pov thats not the case.

I do see ScumSTD possibility, and thats why I wanna block him tonight.