Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Bingle]

So I’ve accepted the recruit in the neighborhood and gotten nothing from xyzzy despite pming about it, so we gonna just do this:

In abt 2 hours I get home then I will explain my Amway plan that everybody would be happy with.

Would you like to join the amway?

[Bingle]

So if KKFC can still create a neighborhood it proves he didn't do that, and it's probably some town points for him.

It really wouldn’t be. Any semi competent scumteam would be more reactions with their spreading of the amway unless you were scum. This is largely because mysterious additions to amway would necessarily mean scum has been recruited and thus drastically narrow the lim pool. The only way this isn’t true is if you, the original gatekeeper for amway, is scum.

[Bingle]

VOTE: AniX

Would you like to join the amway?

[Bingle]

Because the theoretical maximum is seven people with vig power on night one. Vs four scum. It's the wildly swingy lulz option that we're definitely not doing at this point.

For the record, I understood this and immediately dismissed it because “we can win d1 with my role if we can narrow down scum to eight names based on no flips is a functionally useless statement. Of course we win if all the scum is in a PoE of less than half the players on day 1 and we don’t have to bother with your role to do it.

The framing that your role is a lot more powerful for town than it is is something that has been driving a lot of my scumread of you, as well as the complete lack of worry about potentially making scum vigs.

[Bingle]

atp feel like dragoneater might be coached scum by aureal to never push on her

No I pushed her hard earlier.
I might still push her.
I'm still trying to figure things out because I think the solve is either:
Cook/Drew/2 others
Or
Aureal/Ircher/2 others

And I don't think these are compatible, and right now I'm leaning the first option but if Cook flips town then I'd definitely go for the second.

Why can’t it be cook/aureal? That’s a world I think is very likely.

[DragonEater70]

Would you like to join the amway?

Not really but I am going to start typing up my plan now. It's a bit long so bear with me.

[Bingle]

That was explicitly to prove I can’t recruit people, you’re supposed to say yes and then confirm we don’t get a neighborhood.

[DragonEater70]

First, let me preface that after my chat with Aureal today I have her as 60-70% certainty as being town, so I'm not exactly happy to vote her. However this plan should satisfy both her and her biggest opponents, from a mechanical viewpoint.

Basically, the idea is this:

1. We DON'T go offering people Amway randomly like Bingle is doing right now. Instead, we choose the two towniest/solviest players and give one of them Amway, who then gives the other Amway. These two players will be the new heads of Amway.
   
2. Then, we flip Aureal and Bingle and Koba are very happy because we finally publicly eveal her role info.
   
3. Then, ALL PLAYERS WHO HAVE Amway, EXCEPT the 2 chosen ones, RESIGN their Amway powers during the night. This can be verified and I'll explain later how, but if they don't comply they will be policy limmed.
   
4. Then, even if mafia night kills one of the chosen townleaders, at least one of them will remain. This town leader can then recruit the player who they consider towniest, who will recruit the player they consider towniest etc. until all players are recruited. If someone isn't recruited then they didn't comply with instructions and get policy limmed.
   
5. Then, the top 5 towniest/solviest players become vigs and can coordinate shots and just shred the PoE list that will be put together.

[DragonEater70]

That was explicitly to prove I can’t recruit people, you’re supposed to say yes and then confirm we don’t get a neighborhood.

Oh. Do that again?

[Bingle]

My role is a

direct

counter to Cook's role, in our group of four.

Would you agree that me being unrecruitable is a direct counter to aureal recruiting?

[Aureal]

I am also flattered that you don't think I am scum

Well, gotta pick someone, you know? I don't have a lot of confidence in

anyone

being town at this point.

So if KKFC can still create a neighborhood it proves he didn't do that, and it's probably some town points for him.

It really wouldn’t be. Any semi competent scumteam would be more reactions with their spreading of the amway unless you were scum. This is largely because mysterious additions to amway would necessarily mean scum has been recruited and thus drastically narrow the lim pool. The only way this isn’t true is if you, the original gatekeeper for amway, is scum.

I'll go ahead and respond to this one since in my hopes I probably did give the impression that recruits are more trackable than they are. I did follow up with xyzzy to find out details, and there is wiggle room. They'll answer whether there's enough recruits to perform an action but that's determined at the start of night, so I'm not sure they'd even answer at any random moment. In looking back at the response, those points are more separate than I recalled so I suppose I could

try

asking if I'll be able to neighborize tonight as I'd just assumed I'd have to ask at night, but I have the feeling it's just going to be "wait until night to ask" because having to pop off spot counts on something with as many moving parts as this is asking for problems.

Would you like to join the amway?

Not really but I am going to start typing up my plan now. It's a bit long so bear with me.

He's not actually using a recruitment phrase, fyi. You'd think if he actually wanted to confirm it he would have thought to go copy what KKFC said rather than make up something nobody else has ever said. Also it doesn't matter what you answer, just that you answered.

[Bingle]

That was explicitly to prove I can’t recruit people, you’re supposed to say yes and then confirm we don’t get a neighborhood.

Oh. Do that again?

Would you like to join amway?

[DragonEater70]

atp feel like dragoneater might be coached scum by aureal to never push on her

No I pushed her hard earlier.
I might still push her.
I'm still trying to figure things out because I think the solve is either:
Cook/Drew/2 others
Or
Aureal/Ircher/2 others

And I don't think these are compatible, and right now I'm leaning the first option but if Cook flips town then I'd definitely go for the second.

Why can’t it be cook/aureal? That’s a world I think is very likely.

I feel Ircher has very strong associatives with Aureal and has been consistently anti-Cook. But maybe it's random noise. I don't think I've considered the possibility so I might take a look at it but like I said, I have 70% confidence that AUreal is town right now.

[Bingle]

atp feel like dragoneater might be coached scum by aureal to never push on her

No I pushed her hard earlier.
I might still push her.
I'm still trying to figure things out because I think the solve is either:
Cook/Drew/2 others
Or
Aureal/Ircher/2 others

And I don't think these are compatible, and right now I'm leaning the first option but if Cook flips town then I'd definitely go for the second.

Why can’t it be cook/aureal? That’s a world I think is very likely.

I feel Ircher has very strong associatives with Aureal and has been consistently anti-Cook. But maybe it's random noise. I don't think I've considered the possibility so I might take a look at it but like I said, I have 70% confidence that AUreal is town right now.

Have you heard about this new opportunity to make extra income?

[Bingle]

VOTE: AniX

Have you heard about this new opportunity to make extra income?

[DragonEater70]

oh wow yeah

recruitment drive does not specify the main thread

you could probably trigger it in a pt

BTW is it true that the desperate modifier doesn't trigger on Amway?

[DragonEater70]

Well, gotta pick someone, you know? I don't have a lot of confidence in anyone
being town at this point.

I'm still flattered that you think I'm more likely not scum than not.

[Bingle]

I’m not using a recruitment phrase because I wasn’t given any indication that there was a specific phrase for recruitment. Rather, you have heavily implied it was all asking about amway or marketing. If I was given the information that there is a specific recruitment phrase by being recruited, it’d be pretty useless for me to not use it. But your bad faith shade is pretty much exactly on message with the rest of your bad faith interactions.

[DragonEater70]

Also, just to be clear:
This might look like pocketing, but this is actually a very useful skill called "making connections". It's very hard for town to win together when they can't trust each other, in the same way that it's hard for scum to win when they don't work together.

[DragonEater70]

That was explicitly to prove I can’t recruit people, you’re supposed to say yes and then confirm we don’t get a neighborhood.

Oh. Do that again?

Would you like to join amway?

Sure, why not

[Bingle]

atp feel like dragoneater might be coached scum by aureal to never push on her

No I pushed her hard earlier.
I might still push her.
I'm still trying to figure things out because I think the solve is either:
Cook/Drew/2 others
Or
Aureal/Ircher/2 others

And I don't think these are compatible, and right now I'm leaning the first option but if Cook flips town then I'd definitely go for the second.

Why can’t it be cook/aureal? That’s a world I think is very likely.

I feel Ircher has very strong associatives with Aureal and has been consistently anti-Cook. But maybe it's random noise. I don't think I've considered the possibility so I might take a look at it but like I said, I have 70% confidence that AUreal is town right now.

Do you have any ircher aureal links other than being anti me? Cause I’m pretty sure irch has never not scumread me and I’m ignoring him atm.

[DragonEater70]

Okay gg ez I just got recruited into Aureal's cult and it's really nice here.

[Bingle]

You know when the knowledge about a specific recruitment phrase should have been outed, btw? Massclaim. Huh.

[DragonEater70]

The have cookies and what not.

But like, healthy cookies or whatever they do at Amway (I really have no clue)

[DragonEater70]

atp feel like dragoneater might be coached scum by aureal to never push on her

No I pushed her hard earlier.
I might still push her.
I'm still trying to figure things out because I think the solve is either:
Cook/Drew/2 others
Or
Aureal/Ircher/2 others

And I don't think these are compatible, and right now I'm leaning the first option but if Cook flips town then I'd definitely go for the second.

Why can’t it be cook/aureal? That’s a world I think is very likely.

I feel Ircher has very strong associatives with Aureal and has been consistently anti-Cook. But maybe it's random noise. I don't think I've considered the possibility so I might take a look at it but like I said, I have 70% confidence that AUreal is town right now.

Do you have any ircher aureal links other than being anti me? Cause I’m pretty sure irch has never not scumread me and I’m ignoring him atm.

Ircher explicitly said "don't vote Aureal please" at some point. Do you want me to dig up the post?