Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[DkKoba]

I am broadening my view, but please explain how Cook's reads on me and Aureal are compatible

Being wrong is NOT inherently scummy!!
Idk mate notice I didnt immediately scumread everyone coming after you

[DragonEater70]

I know, but having 2 incompatible opinions is a red light?

[DragonEater70]

I'm not saying Cook is wrong about either of us. I'm sating their expressed opinions are inconsistent which makes me think they aren't real.

[Bingle]

like i recognize i am a valuable asset to town but like also my flip is the strongest investigative in the game bar DE's cop

Uh, 3rd strongest, and stronger than DE's cop, assuming all claims are true.

there are 4 investigatives ?

PC is about approximately delayed cop, AniX is functionally a full tracker if we take the time to play right, you, DE, Theta. I might be missing some, I’m not at the computer with my role spreadsheet.

The fact you said full tracker here and then rank my power level so high makes me believe you actually overstated (or perhaps I potentially misstated) the depth of my ability. I get to track ONE person one time. The voting stuff just lets me expand the pool from which I can select that one person. It is similar with my other abilities (Not voting lets me block ONE person, but unrestricted since no vote, Tunnelling someone lets me kill ONE person and it is the person I tunnelled.

Full tracker here means tracker with no gating. There is no mechanical reason why we shouldn’t just let you vote every player for 24 hours, which is why your role is an example of shit game design.

[Bingle]

Order of power is theta, PC, you, AniX, DE. There’s approximately 0 chance of DE dying tonight even if we hit scum.

Okay so did I miss something?
You say Theta is investigative, and I assume you mean by virtue of failed recruitment of town, yet I don't see her do that which I thought was because she couldn't actually use it that way?
Like can Theta investigate or no? And if she can then why is this not happening?

Theta retracted the day action working with her modifier part and replaced it with night action only working with her modifier, which makes her the equivalent of a disloyal neighborizor. She can investigate anyone except me, ranger and kkfc using amway at night assuming she has enough down line distributors to do so and any formation of a neighborhood would be a hard guilty. The retraction of the day cop claim after getting amway and the complete lack of people pushing back for that IS something I’m paying attention to.

This is pretty much the reason why Aureal needs to die today instead of tomorrow, because we absolutely want theta to be on line tonight and the way to do that is to have her chain three recruits, preferably through ranger because ranger already can’t be copped by her. Aureal-scum will necessarily have at least the force recruiting roleblock available for tonight, so the risk of her role being incredibly powerful scum utility is very high. Also, any attempt to neighborize Theta is a scumclaim.

[DkKoba]

I'm not saying Cook is wrong about either of us. I'm sating their expressed opinions are inconsistent which makes me think they aren't real.

Inconsistency isnt a consistent scumtell either
Could say its ... inconsistent !

For me what's convincing is when you ask to explain the inconsistency and *then* the answer to that sucks and is scummy

Similar trap for me that I fall into is assumption of "different from average towngame meta, probably scum", where it's like clear that there is a significant enough amount of times it fails and thus is unreliable

I gut scumread cook at first but over time i felt their mindset towards the game ended up showing as town in their own way and she has shown an actual process even if that process might not be the most pleasing to a logical mind

[DragonEater70]

like i recognize i am a valuable asset to town but like also my flip is the strongest investigative in the game bar DE's cop

Uh, 3rd strongest, and stronger than DE's cop, assuming all claims are true.

there are 4 investigatives ?

PC is about approximately delayed cop, AniX is functionally a full tracker if we take the time to play right, you, DE, Theta. I might be missing some, I’m not at the computer with my role spreadsheet.

The fact you said full tracker here and then rank my power level so high makes me believe you actually overstated (or perhaps I potentially misstated) the depth of my ability. I get to track ONE person one time. The voting stuff just lets me expand the pool from which I can select that one person. It is similar with my other abilities (Not voting lets me block ONE person, but unrestricted since no vote, Tunnelling someone lets me kill ONE person and it is the person I tunnelled.

Full tracker here means tracker with no gating. There is no mechanical reason why we shouldn’t just let you vote every player for 24 hours, which is why your role is an example of shit game design.

I'm pretty sure AniX is actually just a one shot tracker (which is whey they say they are gated and that their investigatove power isn't so high), but yeah it is bad game design since the "gating" of the shot by votes is mechanically irrelevant and just drags the game out.

[Meuh]

Is there a full claim list somewhere?

[DragonEater70]

I'm not saying Cook is wrong about either of us. I'm sating their expressed opinions are inconsistent which makes me think they aren't real.

Inconsistency isnt a consistent scumtell either
Could say its ... inconsistent !

For me what's convincing is when you ask to explain the inconsistency and *then* the answer to that sucks and is scummy

Similar trap for me that I fall into is assumption of "different from average towngame meta, probably scum", where it's like clear that there is a significant enough amount of times it fails and thus is unreliable

I gut scumread cook at first but over time i felt their mindset towards the game ended up showing as town in their own way and she has shown an actual process even if that process might not be the most pleasing to a logical mind

I see. I get that since it's similar to the Aureal scumread thingy that we had and that Bingle maybe still has. But can you point out what specifically you find towny about Cook?

I'm not disregarding "over time i felt their mindset towards the game ended up showing as town in their own way and she has shown an actual process" (what you said), I just want an example of this before I blindly TR Cook.

Also I probably sound very annoying right now but I am just frustrated because the people who I consider the town core can't seem to agree on reads and it makes it very difficult to get a lim we can all be happy about. And this D1 is already 22 days on and I just want a freaking scum lim.

[DragonEater70]

Is there a full claim list somewhere?

Doctor Drew - Eternal UB: Changes to the last town player to die
Random Nurse - Non-Consec Enforcer which basically makes a player Ascetic for the night
Political Clout - Sensitive Tracker which I forgot what Sensitive does
DragonEater70 - Cop that doesn't work after a Town player dies
Theta Alpine - Desperate Treevivor Doomer which makes dead people who investigate opposite to theta treestumped, must use a day after the death
Ranger - Disables modifiers and passive abilities for a day/night cycle and becomes a miller when used
DkKoba - Death Miller which flips as random scum role
Save The Dragons - Hotelier neighborizes 2 people for one night
AniX - JOAT(vig for full day tunnel, delay for not voting at all, track for voting 5 people for one day)
Skygazer - Compulsive Loan Shark, gives votes to players in exchange for being able to act for them next night
Ircher - Neighborizer that loses their vote next day
Bingle - Unable to be changed, may be bp or ascetic each night
Aureal - Pyramid scheme type shit I have 0 fucking clue
Alisae - Arsonist with one ignition and up to 2 doused players
Cook - Modifier which gives a neg util modifier to someone each night
camelCasedSnivy - Baker which gives baked goods 3-shot can be publically eaten to roleblock the next night and may also be passed
KatyKimFanClub - Revealer which reveals a random player's role on death

did i get it right

[Meuh]

oH god I did not think the role list was that intense

[ofrhz]

VOTE: cook

[Skygazer]

VOTE: cook

[xyzzy]

votecount 1.23

there's a shoe storage thing that goes over a closet door in my apartment with little transparent containers, and one of them has over time attracted three different spiders who have all gotten stuck in there and perished. completely inadvertent spider tomb...

7 players voting for Cook (Ranger, Ircher, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70, Save The Dragons, ofrhz, Skygazer)
3 players voting for Aureal (Bingle, Cook, Political Clout)
3 players voting for Klick (KatyKimFanClub, camelCasedSnivy, Meuh)
1 player voting for camelCasedSnivy (AniX)

3 players not voting (Klick, Aureal, DkKoba)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to eliminate.

mod notes:

[DkKoba]

why are we doing apathy elimination

play the game please

[DkKoba]

"We need a flip" no you need to step up and not expect the game to play itself for you :/

[Skygazer]

play the game please

not voting (DkKoba)

[DkKoba]

I'm the only one to interact with cook in recent time

[Cook]

VOTE: cook

VOTE: cook

koba do you think this is natural

[Cook]

i’m not incentivized to think it’s natural. mafia almost certainly wants the day to end so that they don’t slip. skygazer why follow up the naked vote with another of your own?

[ofrhz]

i’m not incentivized to think it’s natural. mafia almost certainly wants the day to end so that they don’t slip. skygazer why follow up the naked vote with another of your own?

Explain the grouping in your reads list

[Cook]

i’m not incentivized to think it’s natural. mafia almost certainly wants the day to end so that they don’t slip. skygazer why follow up the naked vote with another of your own?

Explain the grouping in your reads list

reads, from “i think town” to “i think scum”

[ofrhz]

Aureal is high even though you thought she had an obvscum claim earlier because...?

There are multiple players low in your reads list for "dropping back" but I'm in the lowest in spite of being "towny earlier" because....?

and you don't want save the dragons axed because...?

[ofrhz]

"Aureal - i still don't trust this amway stuff but even if you're scum it seems like there are other people who'll just take over for you. so. yippee."

Sorry cutting quotes on phone is dumb but how does any of this make her a town lean fypov

[Cook]

rolewise aureal’s role if it’s true is very good for us

playerwise i dunno as much