Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[DragonEater70]

Lol, SK shot scum?

Nah, vig here.

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I made a good snipe last night.

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Like idk maybe the SK also shot Bianco. This is weird.

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Anyway I'm 90% sure Infinity is the SK and Python is town.

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VOTE: Infinity

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snivy could technically be scum, maybe we're supposed to no elim to give flavor a chance to block him but i don't feel like it

Like I don't know if town actually says this here.

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Oh okay nvm I just realized that Python was roleblocked which maybe explains why SK didn't kill. Because I don't think SK ever kills Bianco here.

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UNVOTE: infinity

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@Blue can you verify you roleblocked Python?

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Yeah

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I will shoot Infinity btw

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VOTE: Python

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Dragon, what’s your full role?

Combined vigilante loyal bodyguard.

I was SO stressed when I shot at Bianco.

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@Dragon - claim everything. Full claim. And all actions

N1 no action, N2 Invis shot Snivy but apparently failed (I think Aureal took the shot instead)

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Is there an SK roleblocker?

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Wait why would Aureal be on nvm

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Is there a chance the SK was babysitting me preventing me from dying?

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@mod can a babysitter prevent a bodyguard from dying due to protecting their target?

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Wait why would Aureal be on nvm

Be on me*

Also
UNVOTE:

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We're not SK but the POE is tight enough that a mislim on us doesn't matter at this point

Blue should rb Drew though since that's a rb that cant be bypassed in an SK!Drew game

Sure but I think we can figure out who's the SK by understanding whether I was roleblocked or protected and by whom on N2.

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We're not SK but the POE is tight enough that a mislim on us doesn't matter at this point

Blue should rb Drew though since that's a rb that cant be bypassed in an SK!Drew game

how did Drew know STD had a gun, though?

Drew would've been a rolecop SK if they were an SK

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They didn't claim any other gunsmith results AFAIK so that's a good case against them

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Is there an actual claims list somewhere cause I keep forgetting everyone's claims.

Specifically what did Infinity claim?

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Infinity who did you protect on what night?

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Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith, N2 Targeted STD and got 'has a gun'
Flavor Leaf - Odd-Night Roleblocker, blocked Snivy Night 1 (confirmed with No Result on Uno), Bianco Night 3 (stopped kill presumably)
DragonEater70 - Combined Vigilante Loyal Bodyguard, n1 no action, n2 shot Snivy - failed, n3 shot Bianco - died
Skygazer - Shield, possibly stole a N1 kill
usesPython - BP
camelCasedSnivy - Loyal Checker
BlueSnakelet - Combined Friendly Neighbor Roleblocker, n1 targeted Aureal, n2 targeted FL, n2 targeted Python -presumably
Aureal - 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield, presumed targeted killer on n2, blocked on n1
Infinity - 2 shot doc? but then they claimed they had another doc shot to target Snivy with. n1 Snivy, n2 python, n3 Snivy, so explanation on this necessary.

Didn't drew say "every night gunsmith"
but maybe that was autocorrect.
Is there an even night GS in the list?

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VC

You did not gate the pagetop

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Get*

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Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

Snivy has this as a possibility.

True

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DE either had Aureal stop the kill or got scum roleblocked I think

Or targeted a commuter as FL pointed out

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I actually think it's Snivy here...

I blocked them Night 1, and their claim came after it came out I blocked them.

And during my Crumb talk with them, they confirmed they werent crumbing, and I didn't see it like a guilty.

Also, Snivy is the one who submitted Loyal Checker in the thread with all the roles.

With Dragon Loyal Vigilante failing on them, I think that's lowkey a soft guilty.

That means there are 2 soft guilties on Snivy.

The vig isn't loyal, the body guard is

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@mod can a babysitter prevent a bodyguard from dying due to protecting their target?

No, BG dying is a separate effect and cannot be prevented by a protective role targeting the BG.

Thx

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FL just to clarify, if snivy is town then I kill myself.

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I mean infinity

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Like whoever I end up targeting

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I do think considering only 1 death on N1 that maybe Snivy is SK commuter.

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But that would mean they didn't kill N2 if they commuted, right?

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humaneatingmonkey, Mafia Goon
, killed Night 2
Aureal, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield
, killed Night 2

This means that the SK is not commuting. Aureal either got shot by maf or ate my or the maf's shot. And maf got shot by SK, right?

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Wow quoting on phone is horrible

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It is possible Snivy is bulletproof SK though. Or even bulletproof bulletproof-enabler bulletproof-finder SK.

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Dragon, read the start of Day 2, up until the point I turned onto Snivy.

Their claim is just a little too perfect imo.

Only saving grace they have is that there wasnt a kill last night, but I think it was to frame Python. Either way, if we roleblocked Python successfully, we just fade Python tomorrow.

I mean I could also see a town PR not outing their guilty immediately and just pushing it? Idk

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What specifically about Day 2 did you want me to see

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Hey did invis even check in here, lol?

Big FoS: Invis

because they're invisible and hard to find

unfortunately, Aureal might have targeted Invisibility Night 2, drawing the kill that way, but where's the other kill? They did claim IC, so maybe thats what drew a real kill if Snivy is town.

Yeah I do think it's possible

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wait, they couldn't have done that, right?

your loyal bodyguard would have targeted aureal and took a kill from a scum team if they took your kill and another kill. hmm.

No because Aureal doesn't redirect my actions, she roleblocks the kill and then dies. That's what mod explained.

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Like if a doctor were targeting Aureal and Aureal were targeting SK, the result is that Aureal dies.

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so many possibilities.

I think it's best to just go with that plan because it gets all possibilities.

it's a mech victory.

I think since sk!drew is confirmed to be incapable of piercing roleblock and since SK!snivy is probably buletproof, that I agree with your plan.

Lim snivy shoot infinity, block Drew. if I die then infinity is not clear since they could be roleblocker SK, but if I + someone else dies then both infinity and drew are clear. If infinity dies it's GG. If no death it's probably still infinity, or a weird play by sk!python that will earn them like 1 extra day to live.

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Plan is mathematically flawed I think?

If I shoot infinity and die we still have to kill infinity because they may be roleblocker SK and have targeted me with RB+kill.

Which means that JOAT!Drew can theoritically be blocked tonight, let me die from infinity, infinity gets limmed, Python gets limmed, then drew roleblocks BlueSnakelet and shoots, endgaming FL.

I think I can't shoot tonight so if I die (or anyone else dies) it means either JOAT!Drew wasted his shot, or Drew is clear which means that we prevent the above scenario from happening.

Am I extremely paranoid? Maybe. But I'm not going to shoot tonight. If anyone hammers before FL cracks the numbers and makes sure I'm not stupid, they are scum

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I'm saying, SK!Drew could be this:

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

I don't know why I called it JOAT because it's clearly much better than that. Fuck. I'm so paranoid.

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What happens if you roleblock the person roleblocking you? Do both players end up roleblocked, under Normal rules?

@Alianna?

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I'm saying, SK!Drew could be this:

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

I don't know why I called it JOAT because it's clearly much better than that. Fuck. I'm so paranoid.

Blue is Roleblocking Drew though so Drew would have to roleblock two people in the same night to kill you without infinity dying?

I'm not sure you understood my role then. I am both a vig and a loyal bodyguard.
So if I shoot Infinity and Infinity is town, I die instead of infinity.

I'm not worried about Drew killing me, I'm worried about Drew killing Snakelet after I, Infinity, Snivy and you are all dead.

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I'm saying, SK!Drew could be this:

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

I don't know why I called it JOAT because it's clearly much better than that. Fuck. I'm so paranoid.

Blue is Roleblocking Drew though so Drew would have to roleblock two people in the same night to kill you without infinity dying?

I'm not sure you understood my role then. I am both a vig and a loyal bodyguard.
So if I shoot Infinity and Infinity is town, I die instead of infinity.

I'm not worried about Drew killing me, I'm worried about Drew killing Snakelet after I, Infinity, Snivy and you are all dead.

If SK shoots at night we're still stuck in this dilemma, I think we can get the POE down to a 1v1 of two unconfirmed people so maybe just go for the most sus people by play?

Yeah idk.

I think we have to sort people by dayplay then.
Don't hammer for now and I'll try to come with a towniness ranking of the 4 PoE people tomorrow (and I invite FL and Bluesnek to do same).

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So we kill you and block Python and then the rest of the plan should work out properly.

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So we kill you and block Python and then the rest of the plan should work out properly.

lim infinity (5/1), block python, conftown gets shot (4/1), lim snivy (3/1), conftown gets shot (2/1)

The math still ends in a 1v1

No it ends in a 2v1. You literally counted it.

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So we kill you and block Python and then the rest of the plan should work out properly.

lim infinity (5/1), block python, conftown gets shot (4/1), lim snivy (3/1), conftown gets shot (2/1)

The math still ends in a 1v1

No it ends in a 2v1. You literally counted it.

Meant that the game is decided by a 1v1 since in that scenario drew and i are both unconfirmed

Oh ok

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As I said, I will read the 4 unconf players tomorrow and rank them by how scummy I think they are.

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can you at least talk with dragon about it

I agree with this

But am fucking tired so give me a bit

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Okay I think I have a plan that works of we no eliminate today, I will explain it in 2-3 hours after I double check it.

But can everyone please unvote for now?

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Okay I think I have a plan that works if we no eliminate today, I will explain it in 2-3 hours after I double check it.

But can everyone please unvote for now?

EBWOP

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Okay, I think I found a mechanical victory that is 100% guaranteed to work no matter if the SK is roeblocker, strongman, BP etc.
But first let me fully explain how my role works. I am a combined vigilante and loyal bodyguard, meaning my shot gors through whether I target town or scum, but if I target town I die instead of them.

Now here's my plan:

We no lim today, snake blocks Drew, Snivy checks Pytho, and I shoot infinity.

Then based on who dies we have enough clears tomorrow to auto win.

1. If nobody dies - Drew is clear (cause they can't roeblock both me and snake), and based on Snivy's results it's either a 1v1 between snivy and Python (cause infinity can't block me and snivy) or a 1v1 between snivy and infinity (if snivy got a green check).

2. If infinity dies then they were SK and it's a GG.

3. If only I die and Snivy gets a red check, it's a 1v1 between snivy and Python (since infinity couldn't both roleblock me and snivy).

4. If only I die and snivy gets a green check, then we have 3 mech clears (Python, FL, Snek) and then we no lim again and block Drew and Infinity while Snivy checks Drew. If Snivy dies then it's Drew versus Infi with 3 clears, otherwise snivy gets a result and it's a 1v1 between snivy and his guilty / last unchecked person (with his inno being mech cleared leaving 3 mech clears again)

5. If I and one of the conftowns die, then Infinity is clear and depending on Snivy's result it's either a 1v1 with Drew or with Python. This is 3 mech clears vs 2 non cleared which is a win.

6. If I and a PoE player dies then Infinity is clear and we have one less PoE player to worry about and it's so easy that I won't even mention this situation.

7. If one of FL/Snek dies and nobody else then Drew is clear cause they couldn't roleblock me, snivy gets a result and it's again a 1v1 but with 4 clears

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But basically limming a claimed cop is really stupid because the cop solves the game.

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VOTE: No Elimination

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Actually I'll let people ask questions and clarifications, but this is a mathematically guaranteed win.

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UNVOTE:

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I checked with mod, doctor can't heal me

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@Mod - would doctoring a bodyguard's target prevent the bodyguard from activating?

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I think the answer is no from how the mod answered so far but we'll see

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I think the answer is no from how the mod answered so far but we'll see

From the wiki:

A Bodyguard is a role who can target a player at Night to protect them. However, if the protected player is supposed to be killed, the Bodyguard is killed instead ("taking the bullet" for them, as it were).

Drew could Doctor Infinity to force a no-death

Okay, I amend my statement to:

If there's a no kill and Snivy gets a red check, Drew is clear. If there's a no kill and snivy gets a green check then drew isn't clear but Python is.

Either way 4 clears and 3 unclears is winnable whereas 3 clears and 4 unclears is not mathematically guaranteed.

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Like the entirety of 1688 does the same thing if we went Snivy first into the night

No elim just opens up the chance for ME to die tonight.

No it doesn't. We're losing the benefit of snivy's cop.

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If we lim Snivy first.

I'd even argue to lim Python and shoot infinity over limming Snivy

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NIGHT ACTION FOR BLUESNAKELET SLOT

Roleblock Drew Please!

Can I also get one like this, senpai?

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I mean sensei

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same thing

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g'night!

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Just noting that if I die and infinity doesn't, infinity could still be a BP SK so needs to be killed at some point.

Now I'm going back to sleep since I didn't sleep enough and it's Saturday so I get to sleep more.

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Yay this game is finally overrrr

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GG town, well done FL on spotting the SK, I should have just voted Python with you Day 4.

And well done Infinity on sheeping FL

And also well done Drew on being townier than Python

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i'd like to also formally apologize to the mafia for giving them a

vanilla scumteam

in a role madness game

that was a tough setup to come back from

That was just horrible

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My Notes PT.

Our Notes PT

Quoting these so that I will read them when I have time

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At some point I need to write down the resulution schema we use for some realtime (meatworld) Werewolf games. It is kind of bonkers and rng heavy but it makes sense (and btw, it has some weirdness like considering 3 RB targeting each other a paradox, but 4 RBs targeting each other are NOT a paradox but another kind of abnormal situation that is handled in an entirely different way)

I'd love to read that.

Also damn I never played such complicated meatworld games (with 4 roleblocks for instance)

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So both the Mafia and the SK decided that I was compulsive loyal vig because I was being flippant instead of giving reads. Okay.

I mean, simpler explanation would be something like "Aureal's Mafia brain is bleeding from being in too many games with too many of the same people at the same time" but sure.

My brain would totally be bleesing if I were in that position tbh

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btw also well down to Python for being my most townread slot after Drew.

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How could I forget!

Thanks so much for modding, Alianna. I know the action resolution was a nightmare for you, but I (and am sure the others as well) really appreciate you modding this game for us. It was very enjoyable to rep in and shoot la scum.