Open 104 - The New C9 - Game Over

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, just to re-iterate, I think it's a bad idea to lynch OMG because I don't get the vibe that he's scum.

He's lying. About his role.

Does it makes sense as scum? No. Oh I guess we shouldn't lynch him then, since clearly he's NOT scum.

WAIT A MINUTE!

If we're NOT lynching him, and we have him "cleared" as town suddenly it... DOES make sense as scum?
Oh crap.

Vote:omg_im_innocent_wtf

Srsly. LAL. Just do it.

QFT. Let's see some more votes on omg_im_innocent_wtf. Screw waiting for his replacement if any.

[well-named]

I think StrangerCoug is as anxious as I am to start the night killing. Just sayin'

[The Fonz]

Fonz:

You are voting me because I "claimed vanilla" and because of my "appeal to emotion"

couple of things.

i) I refer to my role in every game I ever play anwhere as "vanilla" regardless of what my actual role is. Usually I am vanilla (just like everyone else is there are more Townies than any other role in any game) but I don't see why this is anti-town. I've not actually claimed anything.

Yes you have. Saying 'I am vanilla' is absolutely, 100% a claim of a vanilla townie role. How else could it possibly be read?

ii) omg claimed a Town role in clear and unambiguous language, made odd appeals here and there yet you still prefer to lynch me over omg?

OMG's claim was a) perfectly in-character with his prior town play and b) utterly WIFOM, so is therefore no tell of any kind in either direction.

Players a and b have both exhibited behavior x - but I know a is nuts, so I'll vote b cos he must be scummy... Is that a fair summation?

Nope. There is more possible advantage to scum from claiming vanilla than claiming mason, since it isn't going to be disproven as easily.

vote: The Central Scrutinizer

TCS is a truly awful vote choice.[/quote]

the games their have evolved more towards "tone" and "feel" and less towards deduction and seem to have gone the other way here

Probably because pretty much any competent player has a consistent 'tone' and 'feel.' Or such an inconsistent one that you can't read anything into it.

"Personally, I will generally random bandwagon for the hell of it, until someone either overreacts, or the wagon gets high enough that someone puts a player in genuine danger with a random vote."

Now you're advocating doing something superficially anti-town to see who overreacts.

I thought you were opposed to that philosophy.

No, I'm opposed to doing things

actually

anti-town. Random bandwagoning is not actually scummy, but newbs and opportunistic scum often make out that it is, therefore it is an excellent tool.

[hewitt]

So, let me get this straight at least, we're voting OMG even though he's not scum?

[Sun Tzu]

So, let me get this straight at least, we're voting OMG even though he's not scum?

Wait. How do you know he's not scum?

[hewitt]

Obviously I don't know he's not scum and the general consensus seems to be to jump on the bandwagon to vote him out simply cause he's annoying and not cause he's scum.

[The Fonz]

I don't think you'll find that anyone is voting omg for 'annoyingness.'

[M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE]

vote: omg im innocent wtf

it might be -ev right now, but if we get to the next day...better for everyone imo.

i think people are better at analyzing lynch's and nk's rather than tone in a game without any significant deadline to pressure scum with.

[The Fonz]

Rushing the day so that it's over before the end of the RL week will significantly harm the town.

[Sun Tzu]

"Personally, I will generally random bandwagon for the hell of it, until someone either overreacts, or the wagon gets high enough that someone puts a player in genuine danger with a random vote."

Now you're advocating doing something superficially anti-town to see who overreacts.

I thought you were opposed to that philosophy.

No, I'm opposed to doing things

actually

anti-town. Random bandwagoning is not actually scummy, but newbs and opportunistic scum often make out that it is, therefore it is an excellent tool.

I agree with the distinction but I think more things than you realize are not necessarily anti-town even though people often think they are.

[The Fonz]

What 'people' think is of no concern to me. Certainly, there are numerous commonly-cited 'scumtells' i don't buy.

[Sun Tzu]

Rushing is bad and I think lynching OMG is probably bad too.

[Sun Tzu]

What 'people' think is of no concern to me. Certainly, there are numerous commonly-cited 'scumtells' i don't buy.

fair enough

[hewitt]

What's the current vote count? Has it changed significantly?

[StrangerCoug]

I think omg_im_innocent_wtf is pretty close to getting lynched.

[Hitch]

Im still not too sure where all the matrix voting is coming from though, in comparison to OMGs behaviour, matrixes seems way more towny to me. OMG is just rambling.

Matrix's heat comes from a player dependant read. or rather a type of player.

Any 2p2er wanting to vote OMG would be suspicious, personally I would think any competent player, although I have conceeded that the difference between the players here and the players I am used to is greater than I had at first thought, would be suspicious. For matrix this was simply confirmable by reading a previous game.

He has sounded more villagery since though, but then what scum wouldn't ?

[Hitch]

DON'T BE A SHEEP. OMG IS TOWN, MATRIX/SUN ARE MAFIA!!!!


UNVOTE OMG NOW!!!!!

EITHER MATRIX OR SUN ARE WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BETTER LYNCHES TODAY THAN OMG.

unvote sun, vote matrix

because he is a more likely wagon.

[Sun Tzu]

Hitch, did you read the Chuck game? Matrix was a villager and he sounds exactly the same here.

[darkdude]

Vote Count for Day 1

There are 20 Alive, so 11 to Lynch

omg_im_innocent_wtf [7] (oEJo, StrangerCoug, SiestaGuru, omg_im_innocent_wtf, ScottHoward, zhaorx, M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE, )

matrix [4] (The Fonz, hewitt, The Central Scrutinizer, Hitch, )
StrangerCoug [2] (Caboose, well-named, )
ScottHoward [1] (gusmahler, )
M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE [1] (Mada, )
Hitch [1] (Sun Tzu, )
The Central Scrutinizer [1] (matrix, )
Sun Tzu [0] ()
The Fonz [0] ()
well-named [0] ()
zhaorx [0] ()
Caboose [0] ()
Stef [0] ()
atakdog [0] ()
gusmahler [0] ()
SiestaGuru [0] ()
hewitt [0] ()
Wall-E [0] ()
oEJo [0] ()
Mada [0] ()

No Lynch [0] ()

Not Voting [3] (Wall-E, atakdog, Stef, )

[hewitt]

Hitch, did you read the Chuck game? Matrix was a villager and he sounds exactly the same here.

Then that would be a great plan if he were mafia to sound exactly the same in this game wouldn't it?

[Sun Tzu]

Hitch, did you read the Chuck game? Matrix was a villager and he sounds exactly the same here.

Then that would be a great plan if he were mafia to sound exactly the same in this game wouldn't it?

It's not as easy as you might think.

[hewitt]

Of course it isn't easy, but is it possible?

[ScottHoward]

Rushing the day so that it's over before the end of the RL week will significantly harm the town.

fonz, i think rushing the day so that its over before a rl year will significantly harm the town. what do you think of that?

[ScottHoward]

vote strangercoug

pushing omg to satisfy some stupid retarted ms logic is wolfish imo.
omg is a wild player, this is standard for him. so it breaks down to the chance that he was randed wolf. obviously theres a much greater chance hes village than wolf.
strangecougar is trying to force ms "logic" on the game, which is fine. go for it. 2p2 will try to force common sense on msers.

fuck, i was planning on coming in here today being nice and civil

[StrangerCoug]

Scott, it makes no sense to vote me for forcing this site's logic on other players when you're trying to force your site's logic on us. First off, omg_im_innocent_wtf has probably heard of "lynch all liars". oEJo countered OIIW's mason claim by stating he isn't a mason and involing LAL on him. I have my own reasons for voting OIIW, but I thought oEJo made a decent case against him.

Forcing us to adopt 2p2's meta (and you to adopt MS's meta) is just about as effective as forcing every single immigrant to the United States to learn English. Good idea on the surface, but in practice it simply won't work. This is Mafia, not a politics debate, but that's still a good example.