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[atsi]

Hey. HEY.

What're your reads, dude.

Here they are:

[Hu Tao]

Hey. HEY.

What're your reads, dude.

Here they are:

[Infinity 324]

i agree with the erinys scumread

i have decent vibes from Hu Tao

we have more than enough content to start reading people off >_>

[Vanderscamp]

oh so the pit hag minion still dies but keeps the ability? wild

if the vortox results are random (which is what i thought you were saying) then you still just get to disable town investigatives which is useful

Only investigatives whose ability can have more than one result. But sometimes like the Flowergirl/Town Crier/Seamstress would only be disabled until they figure out there is a Vortox, because they get binary results and the results under a Vortox are always wrong. So once they know there is a Vortox, they know the correct answer is the inverse of whatever answer they've been getting (ie. once a seamstress learns there is a vortox, they can go back and see that every result they got where two players DIDN'T share an alignment is now confirmed as those players actually sharing an alignment, since the only false answer to "yes, they share an alignment" is "no, they don't share an alignment.")

Wait, weren't you just saying that it would be random results? Or were you only talking about poison/drunk mechanic?

None of the results are random in the sense that they're randomly generated, but poison/drunk info can be whatever the mod chooses, and vortox info can be whatever the mod chooses as long as it's false.

Doesn't it seem highly unlikely that a player could get poisoned or drunk, though?

Not even close to "highly unlikely"

[Hu Tao]

How would we even know if someone was poisoned or drunked?

[AniX]

Really. Where is everyone?

Traditionally, Blood on the Clocktower has less public talk than Mafia does, although the neighborhood restrictions will probably increase public talk significantly.

[AniX]

How would we even know if someone was poisoned or drunked?

If their role starts producing results that don't make sense.

[Vanderscamp]

I like Nurse for attempting to make stuff happen, and Anix.
I dislike infinity and Erinys.

[Hu Tao]

How would we even know if someone was poisoned or drunked?

If their role starts producing results that don't make sense.

Well has that happened to you or anyone else?

[Vanderscamp]

How would we even know if someone was poisoned or drunked?

That's basically what we have to figure out

[AniX]

How would we even know if someone was poisoned or drunked?

If their role starts producing results that don't make sense.

Well has that happened to you or anyone else?

It would be very difficult to know that information yet, because it isn't like the information is going to be information that is overtly nonsense like giving you a result about Zoraster or giving you a ping on a role that is not in the game. But as we move through the game, we will see that someone's results don't fit into the game state (or potentially their own results don't match themselves, like they get multiple demon results on living players) and we can speculate from there.

This is a game where reads are less important (although they can still be important) and flow of information is CRITICAL. A town that doesn't share information relatively freely with at least some people is a town that is going to lose.

[Infinity 324]

I like Nurse for attempting to make stuff happen, and Anix.
I dislike infinity and Erinys.

is this just because I was asking questions about scum play, or is there another reason

[HighPrincessErinys]

High Princess, who are you willing and NOT willing to eliminate Day 1?

This one has pretty good feelings about AniX but that's about it for anything close to a read.

I like Nurse for attempting to make stuff happen, and Anix.
I dislike infinity and Erinys.

is this just because this one was confused about the night, or is there another reason

[Vanderscamp]

Yeah my reasons are the ones I've said in the thread already.

Thinking about it more though if you're a demon you wouldn't have done anything N0 right?
So it's a weird comment either way

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah it's obvious Demon doesn't kill someone N1 because we're all still alive, but this one genuinely couldn't figure out if other roles get actions off? It seems so though based on how some roles have like "each night excluding the first" for their actions.

[AniX]

The roles will list if they go off on night 1 or not in the sample role PM. All the demons have "each night but the first" language, as do some other roles, but other roles just have "each night"

Ability Happens First Night:
Clockmaker (but ONLY first night)
Dreamer
Snake Charmer
Mathematician
Witch
Cerenovus

All other roles with night abilities do not happen first night and so did not happen last night.

[Random Nurse]

OK, so I'm not really getting the results I wanted from my questions, so I'll end this charade right now. It's highly unlikely that I am either Drunk or Poisoned, so I'm calling it now.

I used my Artist ability at Day start and asked Enchant if Anix is working for the forces of Evil (I had to be very specific with my wording). To this Enchant replied "Yes." Therefore, unless the mod is lying to me or the tiny chance I'm Drunk or Poisoned, Anix is either the Minion or the Demon.

[AniX]

Well, it is more likely we have a Vortox since there is a 1/4 chance of that and would impact everyone, which isn't really that "tiny". But poison or drunk could also be in play:

Ok, Random Nurse is definitely poisoned or drunk, which actually is very good information. It indicates one of the following situations is true:

Philosopher named Artist, perhaps thinking the Artist is a power rule to get (this is a very common mindset. I don't really agree because one question doesn't really do much), said Artist and, since Artist is in game, named Artist. No reason for Philosopher to be shy if this is the case, they don't have any role anymore.

Sweetheart is out, we haven't had a death to trigger it yet. Ditto Vigormortis.

Vortox is a contender, as I previously mentioned.

No Dashii is also a contender, although that puts more suspicion on me as a neighbor AND an info flip. Who is your other neighbor, Nurse?

I think we should see if anyone else got weird info (you don't need to mention this info) that would indicate Vortox. Otherwise, I think I'm a pretty strong contender for town's kill today, to take me off the board as a distraction. Then, if people still aren't getting a Vortox feel after results tomorrow, the next logical person to investigate should be Nurse's other neighbor (if anyone has any investigation roles, that'd a solid choice tonight)

[AniX]

Oh, I guess I should mention I'm (currently unflipped) Snake Charmer, so there is a non-0% chance Enchant would interpret that as "working for the forces of evil" since I COULD change alignments at some point, but if he did that I'd be pretty pissed with that interpretation to be honest. At any rate, I'm not really a huge town asset anyway so no big loss killing me today.

[AniX]

Please excuse the "definitely drunk or poisoned" clause, which I wrote, realized Vortox would also explain it, but then didn't delete. "Definitely" is not true. Possibly is.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Anix

[Enchant]

Votecount

Random Nurse nominated AniX.

Official Vote Count 1.01

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes or more to Execute player.

Anix (1): Random Nurse

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-09-23 11:36:10).

Mod notes:

A

[AniX]

Vote: Anix

[atsi]

Ok, Random Nurse is definitely poisoned or drunk, which actually is very good information. It indicates one of the following situations is true:

Do you have some information that proves Random Nurse is town? Assuming you are town, I don't see how you can rule out the possibility that Random Nurse is simply lying.

Philosopher named Artist, perhaps thinking the Artist is a power rule to get (this is a very common mindset. I don't really agree because one question doesn't really do much), said Artist and, since Artist is in game, named Artist.

No reason for Philosopher to be shy if this is the case, they don't have any role anymore.

What do you mean by this?

[atsi]

Oh, I guess I should mention I'm (currently unflipped) Snake Charmer, so there is a non-0% chance Enchant would interpret that as "working for the forces of evil" since I COULD change alignments at some point, but if he did that I'd be pretty pissed with that interpretation to be honest. At any rate, I'm not really a huge town asset anyway so no big loss killing me today.

If that's really the case, I'm gonna be pretty mad at the mod after this game...

@Mod has a modding mistake been made?