In post 139, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Yeah it's obvious Demon doesn't kill someone N1 because we're all still alive, but this one genuinely couldn't figure out if other roles get actions off? It seems so though based on how some roles have like "each night excluding the first" for their actions.
How much WW have you played before this game btw?
Also basically none.
not a person, just a doll~
this one refers to itself in the third person Get To Know A Doll
Killing AniX here makes a degree of sense but this one is also wondering about that scenario of "well if I swap with the Demon they'll just claim" and if they claim we just fucking kill AniX and all, but at the same time heeding that could be letting AniX slip right under our noses for a little while longer if AniX is Demon/Minion.
not a person, just a doll~
this one refers to itself in the third person Get To Know A Doll
In post 143, AniX wrote:
Oh, I guess I should mention I'm (currently unflipped) Snake Charmer, so there is a non-0% chance Enchant would interpret that as "working for the forces of evil" since I COULD change alignments at some point, but if he did that I'd be pretty pissed with that interpretation to be honest. At any rate, I'm not really a huge town asset anyway so no big loss killing me today.
N1 target?
I actually forgot my role is a must and not a may so I didn't submit since the role is a little tricky to play wincon-wise (from my current wincon, it doesn't make sense for me to random choose people, since one could be a demon which is bad for my current wincon, even if my wincon changes immediately, I am making the initial choice as a townie). Enchant just had my role do nothing, which technically shouldn't be allowed since, again, must not may, but I suppose it can be coded as just a self-target.
Yeah that makes sense, no difference between doing nothing and self-targetting
In post 168, Infinity 324 wrote:
i'm surprised people don't think scum would fakeclaim in a game with no flips; regardless, nurse was a super strong townread of mine so i'm happy limming anix.
Yeah I do agree with this, it's not obvious to me at all that Nurse's claim is real, although just from math it probably is.
But I'm not especially happy limming Anix because I think they've sounded pretty good and more okay with dying than I would expect from evil.
I actually have Nurse more likely evil than Anix here but I feel like the most likely scenario is that they're both good and the info is somehow being messed with.
In post 176, Infinity 324 wrote:
why is swapping alignments so bad for town? the person who was previously a demon can claim, so we know what happened right? and yeah they get poisoned, but if you're not going to use your ability anyway that doesn't seem like a big deal.
this is a strange claim to make as scum, but it's also strange as town, so.
It's good for town, but it's pretty bad for snake charmer.
In post 177, AniX wrote:
An awkwardness in converting BotC to Mafia is the increased wincon burden. BotC is not designed to be played competitively in the way we do Mafia and as such, while you obviously aren't supposed to deliberately sabotage your team, playing Snake Charmer as a sort of "I am going to play this neutral because at any time I could switch teams" is a valid playstyle. The rules of competitive mafia, and particularly the rules of the site, make that sort of playstyle a bit murkier. I am currently town. Me converting to Demon does not help town, which I am obligated to help to the fullest of my ability right now.
What are the rules usually like here for conversion games?
Because I do think it helps town a lot if you convert and the old demon gives us the news, especially since you've already claimed snake charmer and we would know exactly who the current demon is.
But surely the rules are just about helping your own wincon and not the wincon of your current team, right?
oh you're saying now that anix claimed. yeah wait wouldn't we want to leave anix alive then? though maybe that's part of the gambit idk especially if the demon is someone who fucks with roles
I'm not voting for Anix, I understand why people are doing it but I feel like Anix is fairly obviously town here and I'm not worried about a claimed snake charmer.
Because it would obviously be Anix since they already claimed snake charmer. So if they swap with the demon then Anix is the demon.
but before anix claimed we wouldn't know, which is what anix was talking about
now i'm wondering why it's not correct to claim snake charmer at the start of the game under that mindset? i think you have to play to winning the game not just your current wincon cause yeah
In post 159, PiggyGal15 wrote:
My biggest scum read was on Nurse, but I don't think claiming and voting Ani would be from scum. My next biggest sus reads are Ani and Infinity, so I'm fine with Ani execution. The only one I'm leaning town on so far is Erinys, though Hu Tao is giving me good vibes.
I'd still like to get some more nominations and votes for the sake of info tonight.
Also, in case there's a Juggler:
Infinity324 is Evil Twin
atsi is Witch
Vanderscamp is Cerenovus
AniX is Snake Charmer
Random Nurse is Artist
Because it would obviously be Anix since they already claimed snake charmer. So if they swap with the demon then Anix is the demon.
but before anix claimed we wouldn't know, which is what anix was talking about
now i'm wondering why it's not correct to claim snake charmer at the start of the game under that mindset? i think you have to play to winning the game not just your current wincon cause yeah
Snake charmer should basically just claim at the point they've decided they never want to use their ability.
Snake charmer using the ability is imo an interesting ev decision where it's probably good to do it initially and then there comes a point where it's pretty bad. Getting demon clears is great but flipping is probably always -ev.
I haven't seen snake charmer win too many games where they flip alignments because usually the confusion that Anix is talking about is outweighed by the demon coming clean with a lot of info and being able to have a pretty narrow pool of who the snake charmer could be.
well the point is, while you're the snake charmer you're town, so you want town to win even if you flip alignments and end up losing. i think that was anix's mindset?
In post 217, Infinity 324 wrote:
well the point is, while you're the snake charmer you're town, so you want town to win even if you flip alignments and end up losing. i think that was anix's mindset?
Yeah, I think doing it that way is a wild way of enforcing "trying to win" but I'm not too familiar with the site rules on conversion games.
Like the mechanical argument to kill Anix is pretty strong so I'm not going to start flaming people if Anix dies here, but my read on the situation is that Anix is extremely likely to be a miskill
