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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:32 am

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In post 49, Klick wrote: I guess if we're not in much of a rush I can get into theory

The goal of this setup seems to be to make sure no town townreads any scum enough that they exit with them.

That's easier said than done. If you think about the average player in a Mafia game, and you think of their strongest townread. MOST of those reads will be right. But usually at least one won't be. We have to aim for one maximum, or ideally none at all.

Another way of viewing it is, collectively, we have to find all but two town (or one town, if we mess up!). This setup is a lot more scumsided than it seems.
Well, luckily most of us have played a bunch of games together. So as long as we don't get stuck in a wifom spiral, i feel like we will be good?
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:36 am

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HELLLOO im alive!! this playlist is so stacked hello everyone
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:36 am

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In post 49, Klick wrote: Another way of viewing it is, collectively, we have to find all but two town (or one town, if we mess up!). This setup is a lot more scumsided than it seems.
Another way of viewing it is, collectively, we have to find 1 wolf and agree to trust fall anyone but that 1 consensus.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:37 am

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In post 50, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 49, Klick wrote: I guess if we're not in much of a rush I can get into theory

The goal of this setup seems to be to make sure no town townreads any scum enough that they exit with them.

That's easier said than done. If you think about the average player in a Mafia game, and you think of their strongest townread. MOST of those reads will be right. But usually at least one won't be. We have to aim for one maximum, or ideally none at all.

Another way of viewing it is, collectively, we have to find all but two town (or one town, if we mess up!). This setup is a lot more scumsided than it seems.
Well, luckily most of us have played a bunch of games together. So as long as we don't get stuck in a wifom spiral, i feel like we will be good?
Town!Drew would say something like this. Unless Scum!Drew KNOWS that I know that Town!Drew would say something like this. But then he'd know that I know that he knows
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:39 am

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Hello to you too patchwork.
I like your pfp.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:39 am

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In post 27, Skygazer wrote: i think scum is in the lurkers (patchwork and merlyn)
i was at school :skull:
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:39 am

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OMG MERLYN IS HERE HII
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:40 am

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Drew, Merlyn is trying to pocket you, trust me. You and me. We're both in this together!
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:41 am

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In post 54, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: Hello to you too patchwork.
I like your pfp.
thank u nuclear gandhi
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:41 am

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In post 57, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: Drew, Merlyn is trying to pocket you, trust me. You and me. We're both in this together!
homie... that is called a meta read
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:42 am

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sry I don't follow
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:43 am

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In post 56, patchwork wrote: OMG MERLYN IS HERE HII
YAYYYY!!!!! Yes your avi is excellent, Hydreigon is one of my fav evolutions
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:44 am

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In post 61, Merlyn wrote:
In post 56, patchwork wrote: OMG MERLYN IS HERE HII
YAYYYY!!!!! Yes your avi is excellent, Hydreigon is one of my fav evolutions
I LOVE THE HYDREIGON LINE u are so true for that <33
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:45 am

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In post 60, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: sry I don't follow
it means merlyn has played a game with drew before so she is familiarized with how he plays. thus, she can make that read.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:48 am

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In post 63, patchwork wrote:
In post 60, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: sry I don't follow
it means merlyn has played a game with drew before so she is familiarized with how he plays. thus, she can make that read.
I think I'd better come clean and admit I was just jokin around, I wanted to WIFOM spiral Drew said we had to avoid WIFOM spiraling...
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:50 am

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In post 63, patchwork wrote:
In post 60, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: sry I don't follow
it means merlyn has played a game with drew before so she is familiarized with how he plays. thus, she can make that read.
Familiar players can also play each other though.

It's impossible for us to know anyone's intentions; anything can be read from both angles - mafia and town alike.
What makes you certain that her intentions were towny? I guess you already townread her?
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:52 am

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In post 64, Merlyn wrote:
In post 63, patchwork wrote:
In post 60, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: sry I don't follow
it means merlyn has played a game with drew before so she is familiarized with how he plays. thus, she can make that read.
I think I'd better come clean and admit I was just jokin around, I wanted to WIFOM spiral Drew said we had to avoid WIFOM spiraling...
Honestly I wish you didn't and you had let this play out instead.
I don't think this was better :cry:
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:56 am

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In post 66, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
In post 64, Merlyn wrote:
In post 63, patchwork wrote:
In post 60, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: sry I don't follow
it means merlyn has played a game with drew before so she is familiarized with how he plays. thus, she can make that read.
I think I'd better come clean and admit I was just jokin around, I wanted to WIFOM spiral Drew said we had to avoid WIFOM spiraling...
Honestly I wish you didn't and you had let this play out instead.
I don't think this was better :cry:
ooh, I have a favorite tin foil theory that folx who say 'honestly' in maf are likely scum

I don't see the point in pretending like that, I think town can take accidently take a joke seriously just as much as scum can
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:57 am

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In post 52, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
In post 49, Klick wrote: Another way of viewing it is, collectively, we have to find all but two town (or one town, if we mess up!). This setup is a lot more scumsided than it seems.
Another way of viewing it is, collectively, we have to find 1 wolf and agree to trust fall anyone but that 1 consensus.
Two hangups -

1. Finding one wolf is Actually Really Difficult
2. Even if we all find one wolf, it would have to be unanimous. If one townie has a townread on the consensus scumread, we have a problem.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:58 am

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In post 57, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: Drew, Merlyn is trying to pocket you, trust me. You and me. We're both in this together!
She is a dastardly one isn't she?
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:58 am

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In post 64, Merlyn wrote:
In post 63, patchwork wrote:
In post 60, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: sry I don't follow
it means merlyn has played a game with drew before so she is familiarized with how he plays. thus, she can make that read.
I think I'd better come clean and admit I was just jokin around, I wanted to WIFOM spiral Drew said we had to avoid WIFOM spiraling...
OHHH okay
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:59 am

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People who I think are towny:

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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:59 am

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In post 65, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
In post 63, patchwork wrote:
In post 60, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: sry I don't follow
it means merlyn has played a game with drew before so she is familiarized with how he plays. thus, she can make that read.
Familiar players can also play each other though.

It's impossible for us to know anyone's intentions; anything can be read from both angles - mafia and town alike.
What makes you certain that her intentions were towny? I guess you already townread her?
never said she was already towny! i was just saying there was no way to be for sure that it was pocketing and that they had played together before so it was likely that it was just a meta read!
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:00 am

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In post 69, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 57, Nuclear Gandhi wrote: Drew, Merlyn is trying to pocket you, trust me. You and me. We're both in this together!
She is a dastardly one isn't she?
*twirls mustache*
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:01 am

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In post 67, Merlyn wrote: I don't see the point in pretending like that, I think town can take accidently take a joke seriously just as much as scum can
Yes they can.
My point was, I don't think your stopping content creation at it's tracks was for the better.

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