Does it make sense to go for the demon today instead of Infinity? If we ml today then we still get another shot at the demon tomorrow.
We are 6 alive now, so after ml and night kill we're 4 tomorrow. If we get the demon tomorrow there's no night kill and we are 3 the day after because no night kill.
If we instead get Infinity then we are 4 tomorrow, but we won't have an ml then since demon will kill someone.
In post 417, Infinity 324 wrote:
if there does have to be a vortox, that means anix is town then right? i don't see why that's not the world we live in
i do think I have to be limmed today cause of Occam's razor, which is a bit frustrating because there's no way to know for sure that vander is lying, but I don't see what else we can do
Yes, if there is Vortox, all results NEED to be false, so any result that has me as Minion or evil team would be, as a matter of basic game state, not true because the mod has no option BUT to give incorrect information in a Vortox game.
In post 417, Infinity 324 wrote:
if there does have to be a vortox, that means anix is town then right? i don't see why that's not the world we live in
i do think I have to be limmed today cause of Occam's razor, which is a bit frustrating because there's no way to know for sure that vander is lying, but I don't see what else we can do
In post 418, Infinity 324 wrote:
@random nurse I'm pretty sure barring extreme circumstances anix has to be town
That I don't know.
Is it not possible he could be the Minion and lying?
Contrary to before, while town benefits from me dying as town because it helps confirm Vortox, Evil team does NOT benefit from a Minion dying so I would have no reason to try to quicklim myself without any fight whatsoever.
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ok let's try to figure this out. I know Vander is scum and I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that there's a vortox. anix and random are confirmed town, and erinys is town barring a strange gambit.
that leaves:
atsi
hu tao
piggy
as the other scum. atsi being scum here would be strange, because it's only based on his info that we know there's a vortox. i think I like Hu Tao for the last scum (they played kinda similar in a mech heavy theme game as scum recently), but idk.
is there a way to figure out who's more likely to be the demon and who's the minion? I wanna say vander is the more likely demon because the twin claim protects him, but idk.
I know this because I'm the good twin and I know infinity is the evil twin.
So for Anix to be evil, they have to be the demon specifically, because the minion is already accounted for, but this is not possible because there was a kill last night.
So if Anix is evil, I'm also evil, everyone else is confirmed good, and I would have to be the demon.
If I'm the demon, I have to be no dashi or vortox based on atsi's mathematician info because no one has claimed a power that drunks people (according to what atsi has said about hu tao) and fang gu and vigormortis don't have the ability to poison people. Vigormortis does, but I obviously didn't kill my minion last night so this is impossible.
Vortox can be ruled out because multiple townsfolk (all townsfolk?) are getting correct information about the evil team.
So I would have to be specifically no dashi, but this doesn't work from the mathematician info either based on my previous post.
Sorry but I'm not sure I understand this part. How can we rule out you being the Vortox?
In post 414, atsi wrote:
Vanderscamp do you think there's a point in Hu Tao claiming now vs tomorrow? If not, I guess it's best to give scum as little info as possible.
In post 434, Hu Tao wrote:
I think we always vote in infinity and Vander today it's 50/50.
It seems kinda risky since if we ml Vanderscamp we just lose, and if we ml Infinity we end up in an F4 with both minion and demon and we just auto-lose if Vanderscamp is the demon.
In post 436, Hu Tao wrote:
Isn't there confirmed scum in the 2 or am I misunderstanding
Yes, but I think Vanderscamp is off the table due to the twin claim, at least for now when we have an ml. And Infinity is confirmed to not be the demon.
In post 434, Hu Tao wrote:
I think we always vote in infinity and Vander today it's 50/50.
It seems kinda risky since if we ml Vanderscamp we just lose, and if we ml Infinity we end up in an F4 with both minion and demon and we just auto-lose if Vanderscamp is the demon.
In post 434, Hu Tao wrote:
I think we always vote in infinity and Vander today it's 50/50.
It seems kinda risky since if we ml Vanderscamp we just lose, and if we ml Infinity we end up in an F4 with both minion and demon and we just auto-lose if Vanderscamp is the demon.
I know this because I'm the good twin and I know infinity is the evil twin.
So for Anix to be evil, they have to be the demon specifically, because the minion is already accounted for, but this is not possible because there was a kill last night.
So if Anix is evil, I'm also evil, everyone else is confirmed good, and I would have to be the demon.
If I'm the demon, I have to be no dashi or vortox based on atsi's mathematician info because no one has claimed a power that drunks people (according to what atsi has said about hu tao) and fang gu and vigormortis don't have the ability to poison people. Vigormortis does, but I obviously didn't kill my minion last night so this is impossible.
Vortox can be ruled out because multiple townsfolk (all townsfolk?) are getting correct information about the evil team.
So I would have to be specifically no dashi, but this doesn't work from the mathematician info either based on my previous post.
Sorry but I'm not sure I understand this part. How can we rule out you being the Vortox?
He is saying that in a world where I am evil and Vander is evil, the Vortox cannot exist because two people pegged me as evil (Infinity and RN). In a worldview where I am evil, that information is CORRECT and they would only be able to receive it if a Vortox is not in play.
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In post 442, AniX wrote:
He is saying that in a world where I am evil and Vander is evil, the Vortox cannot exist because two people pegged me as evil (Infinity and RN). In a worldview where I am evil, that information is CORRECT and they would only be able to receive it if a Vortox is not in play.
Makes sense. I thought Vanderscamp was saying we could completely rule out them being a Vortox, which isn't true.
