Open 884: Another Newbie Game | Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like there has to be a scum pushing Kitty here

[DragonEater70]

VC 2.4

Vote Count 2.4

Infinity 324 (2 = E-2): Gamma Emerald, KittyTacky
KittyTacky (2 = E-2): Infinity 324, Dannflor
Not voting (3): Dunnstral, Mr.K, Purplemango

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in

(expired on 2023-10-03 07:48:32)

[Dannflor]

why

[Dannflor]

is kitty like super town to you

[Gamma Emerald]

In a word, yes

[Infinity 324]

?? why

[Dannflor]

in a word, why

[Gamma Emerald]

Vibes

[Dannflor]

okay

sorry but that's not persuasive to me

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s the best I can do right now unfortunately

[KittyTacky]

why are you sheeping the "deepwolf leading town"

I'm not sure that you are, and you're the only person actually leading. Like I still think you're town, I think the suspicion is ultimately not justified.

[KittyTacky]

Mr. K = not sure on my earlier TR anymore but I don't think I'm voting here today

can you expand what is making you doubt your town read

Vibes.

[KittyTacky]

OK I'm gonna get wagoned because I worded this poorly so I'll claim to get this shit out of the way.

I'm a Friendly Neighbor.

I sent the message to Gamma Emerald. That's why Gamma TRs me.

Off me you two.

[Dannflor]

okey dokey sorry kitty

VOTE: infinity

[Dunnstral]

I actually think Gamma comes off looking bad here with your claim in mind. If they are mafia they do have to defend you to a certain extant, as they know that you know that they know, in a word.

Their defense of you is basically saying that there is mafia between Infinity and Dannflor, their reasoning is implied to be that they know you are town because of your role, but does it really make sense for Gamma to decide there must be mafia between Infinity and Dannflor with only that information? To me it seems like they should have another reason, such as saying their push is disingenuous or the way they are going about it seems like mafia.

It reads to me like setting up the elimination, as they would know you wouldn't be the elimination today.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

Pushing is not exclusive to voting

[Gamma Emerald]

it would be really helpful if purple mango came in and just gave a couple thoughts on each player

I am basing the reads (?) on things that are not really significant and just made sense to me

I think gamma scum based on it's behavior on the first day, and her suspicions (although they do also make sense given the things said)
I don't have an opinion on you or kittytacky that is relevant right now, I have no problem killing him, I'd rather not you
But it's still makes sense to me that in the end you are scum
infinity looks like town to me, not sure about a specific reason and can be changed
That leaves mostly dunn/mr k which I don't really know about either, but mr k acts like town


Please tell me if I forgot someone who plays

Ngl I think these reads suck ass, feels like there’s too many doors left open for scumreads on players later

[Gamma Emerald]

do you have reasons to suspect Gamma independently, Mr. K?

Yes, mainly the same suspicion I had in D1. I generally don't really agree with her reads in addition to which I also don't see much support for them. She's also seemingly active but a lot of that activity seems sort of superficial.

#36
#46

Here I don't get the same vibe at all myself.

#65

Here I didn't like the line of questioning by Oopsie. We later do find out not only that she is town but she also explains her thought process a bit more, but I still don't think the logic behind her thoughts was very strong. Probably more importantly, this is one of the examples where I feel Gamma could be "hiding in plain sight", just comment something that makes it seem like she's kind of scum-hunting, but not really doing anything useful. Like, this comment she could easily explain away to literally any direction if she needs to. I asked about it later and in #105 she explained it a bit further, but to me the explanation felt like a non-explanation as well, and I again didn't agree with what she was saying either

Other examples of these posts that make her seem active:

#69
#144
#181, #183, #187
While I agreed with the end result here, I didn't really like the she got to her conclusion. It felt like she acted as if she needed convincing but in the end didn't really need much convincing so she got to make three seemingly townish posts for doing something she would have done anyway.
#215

But despite the long list of posts that I'm citing, I can't say that my case is particularly strong. I have the same doubts I had on D1, most of this could be explained by us simply thinking differently. She feels one thing but can't put a pin on why (it's just a vibe) and I disagree with it and also don't share that vibe. Similarly part of my suspicions towards her are based on me "having a vibe" as well.

I think I started pointing fingers now for a couple of reasons: upon a re-read the interaction with Infinity jumped out a bit more while earlier I had kind of ignored it (possibly cause I thought Infinity was town) and really a process of elimination:

If Dann's town, Purplemango's town and I'm town who do we have left?

Dunnstral, Gamma, Infinity, Kitty

Out of the four I think Dunnstral feels more town than the others so we're down to the three. My main issue with Kitty is the slightly odd comment on the hammer and him being somewhat inactive on D1. Does that make him town? Not necessarily, but it does make an even weaker case than my suspicions towards Gamma and Infinity. Especially after the remaining two happen to be the same whose interaction I had just found somewhat indicative of a potential scum pair. This pairing-theory is a thing I am trying to keep in the background, but it's now of course difficult to completely unsee it.

I don’t like these either
I think Mr. K in general is not a strong solver, he openly admitted to eating the confirmation-bias apple on Day 1.

[Dunnstral]

Pushing is not exclusive to voting :igmeou:

How does this fit into what I said?

[Gamma Emerald]

You are saying I’m saying scum is within Infinity and Dannflor
My response is refuting that by explaining how your scope is too narrow

[Purplemango]

who do you most think is scum, purple?

Probably gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I think gamma scum based on it's behavior on the first day, and her suspicions (although they do also make sense given the things said)

Could you dive into your thought process here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I don’t think I need that answered
VOTE: Purplemango
I just combed his ISO, I think his tone towards Oopsie feels like scum who wants to take out Oopsie but cannot find an angle for a vote. That resulted in zir killing her off, which I think is why ze’s going so hard on the “infinity wouldn’t kill Oopsie angle”, there’s inside knowledge. Whether that’s actually spewing infinity town I’m not fully decided, but I lean towards it being that way.

[DragonEater70]

~o~