Open 887: Coalition of Frogs (Game Over)

[TheHoldSteady]

HEAL: Datsi I forgot what the tag was.

[Merlyn]

I know, I just feel like this convo happening on two levels isn't helping

no kidding. Can someone share the game you three are talking about please?

[Hero at Heart]

you know what? i am done. i am done with this meta discussion, i am done with discussing my tr of datisi, and i am done with this silly 1v1 with ari. it's not fun and it's not helping town win.

so here's what we're going to do instead. i am going to propose a coalition, and ari - please sheep it eliminate me if it fails. you have my solemn promise i won't push you (but i will be looking for scum). here's my coalition:
HEAL: ari, datisi, hero, implo, bella

i'd rather tell ari "i told you" in the postgame after we won than continue this stupid, unfun argument. or i guess if she's scum i can tell her "gg wp you tricked us all". but i don't think she's scum.

the above coalition is actually final*.

*barring extreme shenanigans like datisi claiming scum or some crazy, game changing scumslip.

[Hero at Heart]

Spoiler: for ari's eyes only

ari, if you sheep this i promise you the very enjoyable experience of watching scum squirm in an attempt to prevent an all town coalition.
so please consider this before you say no.
and in the worst case, where datisi is scum and we're both town, i guess the worst that can happen is that i am the D1 misflip and you are the D2 misflip and then we can cheer on datisi from the dead chat, still thinking he's town until the bitter end. or we might decide to cheer scum!him knowingly

[Hero at Heart]

dats/hero/implo/bella/ari

let's goooo

[Hero at Heart]

@hero, I'm not really, I'm talking about one we could agree on? I dunno, I still like dats' suggestion

My games I've replaced out and games with datisi are a weird correlation, just having gone ovw my meta. They've been scum on like a 3:1 ratio and I've had a correct read most of the time. My favourite thing just now was reading their scum ptnl from four years ago asking if I was timid BC of my personality or role pm

sorry i lost track, can you explain what you mean?

[Hero at Heart]

wrt to first line

the others ones i did understand

[Hero at Heart]

no kidding. Can someone share the game you three are talking about please?

i don't really care if ari links it, i rather she doesn't but whatever.

but personally i will not be talking about any other games than this specific game, aka coalition of frogs.

[Bellaphant]

I do t think I'm sr you, although I am more hesitant than I was. The alt thing has bothered me a fair bit, which may not be fair but is true. Also, I felt like your slot was low key becoming controversial, and I'd rather people agreed on a coalition quickly, as I feel that we get more info if we are wrong after we have...more info.

I'm tired

[TheHoldSteady]

you know what? i am done. i am done with this meta discussion, i am done with discussing my tr of datisi, and i am done with this silly 1v1 with ari. it's not fun and it's not helping town win.

so here's what we're going to do instead. i am going to propose a coalition, and ari - please sheep it eliminate me if it fails. you have my solemn promise i won't push you (but i will be looking for scum). here's my coalition:
HEAL: ari, datisi, hero, implo, bella

i'd rather tell ari "i told you" in the postgame after we won than continue this stupid, unfun argument. or i guess if she's scum i can tell her "gg wp you tricked us all". but i don't think she's scum.

the above coalition is actually final*.

*barring extreme shenanigans like datisi claiming scum or some crazy, game changing scumslip.

how willing are you to replace ari with merlyn

[Aristeia]

ok fine i'll townread you

HEAL: ari datisi hero implo bella

[Hero at Heart]

ok fine i'll townread you

HEAL: ari datisi hero implo bella

<3

[Hero at Heart]

good nightie!

[TheHoldSteady]

yuck. i think ari is scum.

HEAL: Bellaphant

there, there's my coalition.

[Doctor Drew]

Oops

HEAL: Doctor Drew

[Merlyn]

you know what? i am done. i am done with this meta discussion, i am done with discussing my tr of datisi, and i am done with this silly 1v1 with ari. it's not fun and it's not helping town win.

so here's what we're going to do instead. i am going to propose a coalition, and ari - please sheep it eliminate me if it fails. you have my solemn promise i won't push you (but i will be looking for scum). here's my coalition:
HEAL: ari, datisi, hero, implo, bella

i'd rather tell ari "i told you" in the postgame after we won than continue this stupid, unfun argument. or i guess if she's scum i can tell her "gg wp you tricked us all". but i don't think she's scum.

the above coalition is actually final*.

*barring extreme shenanigans like datisi claiming scum or some crazy, game changing scumslip.

I would support you or ari, but not both. Sub out drew or myself for yourself or for ari and I will go along with this.

[Merlyn]

yuck. i think ari is scum.

HEAL: Bellaphant

there, there's my coalition.

THS, what about the conversation that just went on all day led you this way? Also, do you think Hero is town then or are they not correlated?

[Merlyn]

Oops

HEAL: Doctor Drew

Same question for Drew actually

[Doctor Drew]

Oops

HEAL: Doctor Drew

Same question for Drew actually

Which question?

[Merlyn]

oh, sorry, this one

THS, what about the conversation that just went on all day led you this way? Also, do you think Hero is town then or are they not correlated?

[TheHoldSteady]

here's the way i think this is going to go:

i think hero's thought process seems very genuine and authentic and i actually got good vibes when we had that argument pages ago. i felt like i was talking to a town, not a scum.

i think the coalition is going to be wrong, and then he's going to lead a lim on me which is also going to be wrong.

what happens beyond then is out of my control

[TheHoldSteady]

1. if i understood correctly, your sr on me was based on perceiving me as subtly trying to ride your wagon. does me not being as subtle aa you were expecting me to be change your viewpoint on me?
2. well, have you looked at the others? what did you see?

I already SAID you not being as subtle changed my viewpoint on you in 139 and I've BEEN looking at others in 188, 206, 235, 244, 245,

[TheHoldSteady]

I do agree that numbers wise it just makes sense to put yourself forward for the coalition bc if you know you're town then you can only be wrong about 4 spots rather than 5. The only person who can really relax and not need to advocate for themselves here is a wolf who is pushing a partner in there. There's no point in being worried that it will make you a target later if the coalition fails, you're getting heat now anyway.

i have two completed games of coalition;

viewtopic.php?t=91245
viewtopic.php?t=89428

I am town in both

I suggested not being in coalition in both

I ended up in the coalition in both

I personally do not enjoy being in the coalition unless I'm absolutely certain my coalition is winning.

I am nowhere near that level of certainty at present and might never be.

Saying that I am mafia for not wanting to be in the coalition because all townies would want to be in the coalition and ascribing the only possible reason for someone not wanting to be in the coalition as "they are mafia who are pushing their partner in instead" is reductionist and absurd.

I can believe this.

[TheHoldSteady]

zzz hello i got lazy i read up now

I don't feel all that great about Dats tbh

is there any reason for this besides that one post you called tmi?

Well let's put it this way, I feel better about Hero, Merlyn, Imp, and Bella than I feel about you.

Felt better about Ari, but not so sure now. So I would prefer to be in the coalition over you.

What made you change your mind here?

[TheHoldSteady]

You said you were atuned to Ari's town game yea? What did you think of 276 and 299?