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[Vanderscamp]

I'm ok with going outside the 50/50, but vander is likely to be the demon if scum.

This should not be an if from your pov

So isn't this a slip from him? that's why I was confused why he said if

Yep

[Vanderscamp]

Also. Is there ANY possible way that both Vander and infinity is scum and this is a gambit? Or is that mechanically impossible?

It is mechanically possible but I'd argue it's pretty absurd

[Hu Tao]

Okay then I'd personally like to go in the confirmed scum pool of 2 then.

[atsi]

Okay then I'd personally like to go in the confirmed scum pool of 2 then.

I think I've already explained why I think this is a bad idea and I'm just repeating myself here but:

Infinity is pretty much confirmed to not be the demon. And if there are twins, it's much better to deal with that after we've deal with the demon. If we vote Infinity now we only have one shot at voting the demon tomorrow, whereas if we go for the demon we have 2 attempts before we have to deal with the twins.

Vanderscamp is the better option of the two, but since we lose immediately if we are wrong on that, I think we should only consider that tomorrow when it's lylo.

[atsi]

I think voting in the 50/50 is better

patently false on many levels

This statement is patently false, there are advantages and disadvantages to both methods.
The reasons it might be better to do the 50/50 are that I think it's pretty obvious, while the demon pool isn't obvious. Killing infinity might also help provide info on who the demon is based on subsequent info.
I don't feel super strongly about either side being better

I feel like from your point of view the ideal thing to do would be to take two shots at the demon and then vote Infinity, rather than vote Infinity now and then only have one shot? The advantages of going with Infinity here seems pretty minor compared to the massive disadvantage of shortening the game by a day.

[Enchant]

Votecount

Official Vote Count 2.09

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes or more to Execute player.

Vanderscamp (2): Random Nurse, Infinity 324

Infinity 324 (2): Vanderscamp, PiggyGal15

Hu Tao (1): Infinity 324

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-09-30 17:21:54).

Mod notes:

A

[atsi]

VOTE: PiggyGal15

[Enchant]

Votecount

atsi nominated PiggyGal15

Official Vote Count 2.10

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes or more to Execute player.

Vanderscamp (2): Random Nurse, Infinity 324

Infinity 324 (2): Vanderscamp, PiggyGal15

Hu Tao (1): Infinity 324

PiggyGal15 (1): atsi

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-09-30 17:21:54).

Mod notes:

A

[Vanderscamp]

Okay then I'd personally like to go in the confirmed scum pool of 2 then.

I think I've already explained why I think this is a bad idea and I'm just repeating myself here but:

Infinity is pretty much confirmed to not be the demon. And if there are twins, it's much better to deal with that after we've deal with the demon. If we vote Infinity now we only have one shot at voting the demon tomorrow, whereas if we go for the demon we have 2 attempts before we have to deal with the twins.

Vanderscamp is the better option of the two, but since we lose immediately if we are wrong on that, I think we should only consider that tomorrow when it's lylo.

Can you explain why I'm the better option?
I think I'm the worse option even without my own POV

[Vanderscamp]

I think voting in the 50/50 is better

patently false on many levels

This statement is patently false, there are advantages and disadvantages to both methods.
The reasons it might be better to do the 50/50 are that I think it's pretty obvious, while the demon pool isn't obvious. Killing infinity might also help provide info on who the demon is based on subsequent info.
I don't feel super strongly about either side being better

I feel like from your point of view the ideal thing to do would be to take two shots at the demon and then vote Infinity, rather than vote Infinity now and then only have one shot? The advantages of going with Infinity here seems pretty minor compared to the massive disadvantage of shortening the game by a day.

I agree, if I know for a fact that infinity's dying late game then going for demons first is better, although there is some good chance that infinity dying first will give us info that will make up for on average half of a kill or something.
The reason I don't think it's super strong in that direction is that I've been burned many times by making mechanical kills only to have town mess it up in end game.

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: PiggyGal15

Still leaning this way

[Vanderscamp]

We should be pretty conservative with dead votes here btw, we shouldn't use any if we can help it; if we miss today then being at 2 vs 2 is going to make it impossible to make majority without at least one dead vote, and we really want to be saving them as much as possible

[Vanderscamp]

In a vacuum piggy is probably the best kill since they're the only role that won't keep providing info, and my reads of players don't do anything to change that

[AniX]

We should be pretty conservative with dead votes here btw, we shouldn't use any if we can help it; if we miss today then being at 2 vs 2 is going to make it impossible to make majority without at least one dead vote, and we really want to be saving them as much as possible

Yeah, I am not even THINKING of touching my dead vote until endgame.

[Infinity 324]

I'm ok with going outside the 50/50, but vander is likely to be the demon if scum.

This should not be an if from your pov

So isn't this a slip from him? :lol: that's why I was confused why he said if

this is a very silly argument i was talking to someone who does not know vander is scum

[Hu Tao]

Okay then I'd personally like to go in the confirmed scum pool of 2 then.

I think I've already explained why I think this is a bad idea and I'm just repeating myself here but:

Infinity is pretty much confirmed to not be the demon. And if there are twins, it's much better to deal with that after we've deal with the demon. If we vote Infinity now we only have one shot at voting the demon tomorrow, whereas if we go for the demon we have 2 attempts before we have to deal with the twins.

Vanderscamp is the better option of the two, but since we lose immediately if we are wrong on that, I think we should only consider that tomorrow when it's lylo.

I understand your reasoning. But there is still a chance both can be scum. So I don't see the reason of voting outside it. Eventually we have to vote in this pair anyway.

[Hu Tao]

I'll be back before deadline. Probably in a few hours.

[HighPrincessErinys]

OH RIGHT the deadline. we should probably get on that?? maybe??

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: piggygal compromise

[Enchant]

Votecount

Official Vote Count 2.11

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes or more to Execute player.

PiggyGal15 (3): atsi, Vanderscamp, Infinity 324

Vanderscamp (2): Random Nurse, Infinity 324

Infinity 324 (2): Vanderscamp, PiggyGal15

Hu Tao (1): Infinity 324

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-09-30 17:21:54).

Mod notes:

A

[Hu Tao]

Lots of errors in that vote count @mod

[AniX]

Are you referring to people voting multiple times? Remember, players can vote for as many nominated people as they want (the only limited use is they can only nominate one person a day, but that isn't the case here)

[Enchant]

Lots of errors in that vote count @mod

Can you clarify?

[Hu Tao]

Nevermind forgot about that

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: piggy

Fine whatever