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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:34 am

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Are we allowed to unvote? If so I want to unvote.
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:37 am

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In post 671, HighPrincessErinys wrote: gonna be real with you guys this game makes no fucking sense anymore lmao

THIS.

I am SO confused. I've got NO flips, the dead are talking, I've got NOTHING but my result on Anix, and apparently that may or may not be reliable due to other abilities in play.

FFS I just need something tangible to work with here. Otherwise it's Day 1 all fucking game.
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:37 am

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In post 674, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 661, Hu Tao wrote: Oh boy. I have a juicy savant today.

1. There is four Townsfolk alive.
2. Atsi and Random Nurse are not aligned

OK what does this mean?
Vanderscamp just explained that in
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:41 am

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In post 675, Random Nurse wrote: Are we allowed to unvote? If so I want to unvote.


PLEASE go and read and . All the mechanics are explained there.
In post 1, Enchant wrote: 14. Voting - You must nominate player before voting them by NOMINATE: PLAYER or plainly use VOTE: Player tag to nominate and vote for them automatically.
You cannot unvote but can vote for as many players as you wish.
You can only nominate once per day and only if you are alive. You have one execution vote if you die which you can cast.
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:42 am

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In post 676, Random Nurse wrote: THIS.

I am SO confused. I've got NO flips, the dead are talking, I've got NOTHING but my result on Anix, and apparently that may or may not be reliable due to other abilities in play.

FFS I just need something tangible to work with here. Otherwise it's Day 1 all fucking game.
If you would actually read the thread, you would find plenty of tangible things to work with.
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:17 am

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In post 657, Vanderscamp wrote: I think the fact that there was no kill last night should be borderline clearing for me because if I'm evil, it gains town a kill, but it doesn't necessarily with me being real.
clearly you thought it would indicate we found the demon, so you no kill gambited to frame me
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:19 am

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In post 661, Hu Tao wrote: Oh boy. I have a juicy savant today.

1. There is four Townsfolk alive.
2. Atsi and Random Nurse are not aligned
this is only possible if it's me/vander right?
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:24 am

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oh they could be both true but i think hu tao has to be lying fmpov
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:34 am

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wait why can't it still be piggy/vander? if both savant statements are true then isn't that still false info?
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:36 am

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i kinda feel like it's likelier for vander not to bus, which brings up some hu tao demon worlds, but i think it's more likely to be vander
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:41 am

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Both of the Savant statements can't be true. With no Vortox, one has to be true and the other false, and with Vortox they both have to be false.
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:43 am

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why? if there's a vortox, 2 true statements is false info because it's not 1 true and 1 false statement.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:45 am

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i'm now second guessing vander being demon because i think they tried to confirm that we got the demon, which means they're confirmed lying once i get limmed

why is hu tao town atsi?

VOTE: vander
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:13 am

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In post 686, Infinity 324 wrote: why? if there's a vortox, 2 true statements is false info because it's not 1 true and 1 false statement.
"Role not working as advertised" is not how Vortox works. That is how drunk/poison work. Drunk/poison is "Mod has discretion to have the role not work as intended". Vortox is "Every piece of information the mod provides a user must be false". Two pieces of true information is the role not working as intended, but it absolutely ISN'T "all information provided by the mod is false"
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:09 am

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i guess? it's just strange because it depends on the wording of the savant results pm, if it explicitly states "one of the following is true and the other is false" then it seems totally allowable to give 2 true statements if vortox is in play
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:10 am

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@enchant
if there's a vortox in play, could a savant receive 2 true statements?
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:48 am

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How on earth would you interpret "Townsfolk abilities yield
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:52 am

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"One of the following is true and the other is false: [true statement] and [true statement]"

how is that not false info
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:55 am

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idk how this even benefits me if i'm evil, if piggygal is in fact scum there's even more reason for y'all to lim me because that gives us an extra lim
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:56 am

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Because both pieces of actual information provided to the player is true. The "One of the following is true and the other is false" isn't information. It is a description of how the role works the appears pro forma. You yourself even structured it that way, using bracketed filler to indicate where actual info would go.
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:03 am

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the "1" in the result i got last night is not a false statement. the false statement is "1 dead player is evil". to me information is what you derive from the results of your role, not necessarily the results themselves.

also uh i just realized piggy can't be scum anyway
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:06 am

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if i said "the following may or may not be true: i am holding a green pen" there's no information there. you didn't learn anything. it's only information if i say or imply that the statement is true/false
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:10 am

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Let's just wait for the mod to tell you you're wrong.
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:15 am

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In post 690, Infinity 324 wrote:
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if there's a vortox in play, could a savant receive 2 true statements?
No. Vortox forces Townsfolks abilities to yield false information. Therefore Savant statements can't be "truthful" and must be false. Both.
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:17 am

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I just disagree with that interpretation but that's fine
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