Cheese Thief | Game 1 Over

[camelCasedSnivy]

Why? I think you are the thief.

well it doesn't matter who thinks who its just that i think you're the follower so you cant pivot over onto me from nd

i guess it doesn't matter if silverclaw is hamering though

[DragonEater70]

well it doesn't matter who thinks who its just that i think you're the follower so you cant pivot over onto me from nd

what

how did you reach this conclusion when I was the main person pushng the one you are now pushing?

[camelCasedSnivy]

also the fact that you think i would go through this effort to find the most optimal strategy and supposedly make it obvious its me + mallow lmao

[camelCasedSnivy]

how did you reach this conclusion when I was the main person pushng the one you are now pushing?

simple

the follower is the loudest so they can divert the attention off of the thief

[Mizzytastic]

oh hey i just got back

@mod does everyone have to agree to end day or only a simple majority?

Everyone, it's mostly in the sense of no one feels like they have anything left to contribute.

is there still majority voting? as in, does the day end when 4 people vote for one player?

There is no majority voting. I have some thoughts about it I can talk about post game.

[DragonEater70]

Okay something isn't adding up here.
Maybe I just have a soft spot for Snivy, but I'm having a hard time Thief-reading him when he's proposing a breaking strategy that would help us defeat him if he's indeed the Cheese Thief. I probably do have a soft spot for him but nvm about that.
Also, my initial Thief-read on Math broke down after I realized that everything Math says makes sense from their perspective, and even though I disagree with their conclusions, the are not Thief-indicative as much as they are playstyle-indicative. I mean, there's a guy I played mafia with who would constantly lose 1v1's as town simply because his tone was panicky, even though he was town. So for Math, the fact they sounded panicky earlier is not necessarily scum indicative but again more playstyle/personality indicative.
Another part of my thief-read on Math was lack of solving, but they've demonstrated excellent solving in the past few pages.

So, "what the heck is going on?", you may be asking. "Is DE70 townreading both Thief candidates? Is he saying there's no thief?"

Well, not exactly. You understand, I already mentioned this but was ignored. So I hate to break it to you guys, but Skygazer is NOT confirmed to be not the Cheese Thief (and neither am I).

Theoretically, Skygazer could've stolen the cheese at 1 AM, then picked Silverclaw as follower (Silverclaw really did wake up at 6 AM), and then Skygazer fluked and claimed the same time that Silverclaw woke up.

Actually, I just realized that this explains why Silverclaw truclaimed. Because he did wake up by himself, and per the plan people who woke up alone should trueclaim (but he was supposed to fake claim). Only later did he realize he needs to provide cover for Skygazer, so claimed he had somehow forgotten it.

[DragonEater70]

how did you reach this conclusion when I was the main person pushng the one you are now pushing?

simple

the follower is the loudest so they can divert the attention off of the thief

Are you kidding me?
First, I'm always loud:
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Second, the "noise" that I've been making is called solving. If I wanted to draw attention off the Thief I would deliberately lie and make myself confirmed thief.

[camelCasedSnivy]

sure

also damn, i did NOT think about that

ill take it into account but nd could still be scum, and that also furthers my theory of you being a follower

[camelCasedSnivy]

we COULD do

3 way split: me, nd, skygazer

its the same thing where we just have to decide who isn't a follower but whoever votes who doesn't really matter because the follower can pivot from a non-thief

[DragonEater70]

oh, I could totally see why you think that furthers your theory of me being Math's follower. It makes perfect sense fypov

Let's see what Math and mallow say.

[Skygazer]

it makes no sense to three way split with me bc i'm mechanically not the thief and we need to vote the thief???

[DragonEater70]

its the same thing where we just have to decide who isn't a follower but whoever votes who doesn't really matter because the follower can pivot from a non-thief

For this to happen you'd have to put faith in me because I'm supposedly Math's follower, mallow is supposedly yours, and Silver is supposedly Sky's, and I'm not letting either of mallow or Silver vote last. And if I'm being 100% honest I'd rather just solve it based on dayplay, and based on Dayplay I think it's Skygazer. She was just sitting on her laurels, knowing she's "confirmed", and didn't try to solve at all. Also when I asked Silver if he thinks you are thief or not, I really didn't like his answer.

[camelCasedSnivy]

it makes no sense to three way split with me bc i'm mechanically not the thief and we need to vote the thief???

Theoretically, Skygazer could've stolen the cheese at 1 AM, then picked Silverclaw as follower (Silverclaw really did wake up at 6 AM), and then Skygazer fluked and claimed the same time that Silverclaw woke up.

[camelCasedSnivy]

we

could

do a 4-way split, which would be 50% town winrate worst case

[Skygazer]

Also, I peaked at Silverclaw and saw the 6 so I know he can't be cheese thief, and it seems unlikely for skygazer to be cheese thief either since he claimed before silverclaw.

I woke up at 2, cheese was already gone so it was stolen at 1

so in this world, i woke up alone, stole cheese at 1am, picked someone randomly as a follower, claimed a random time, and got really lucky??

why in the world should i be included in the split lol

[Skygazer]

its the same thing where we just have to decide who isn't a follower but whoever votes who doesn't really matter because the follower can pivot from a non-thief

For this to happen you'd have to put faith in me because I'm supposedly Math's follower, mallow is supposedly yours, and Silver is supposedly Sky's, and I'm not letting either of mallow or Silver vote last. And if I'm being 100% honest I'd rather just solve it based on dayplay, and based on Dayplay I think it's Skygazer. She was just sitting on her laurels, knowing she's "confirmed", and didn't try to solve at all. Also when I asked Silver if he thinks you are thief or not, I really didn't like his answer.

the game has been open for like 48 hours my guy. have you seen me play before???

[Skygazer]

like i said earlier, i plan to sit down and map out all the mechanics when i get home. it seems like with everything laid out it'll be easy to solve i just need to have all the facts in front of me.

anyways i always find it stupid when ppl throw shade at me for trying to clear myself as town. like ya scum wants to do that too but getting cleared/firmly townread is literally one of the best things you can do to help town win.

[Skygazer]

The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.

arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate

[camelCasedSnivy]

The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.

arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate

we would need to have one person who is confirmed sleepyhead (not thief or follower)

[Silverclaw]

oh, I could totally see why you think that furthers your theory of me being Math's follower. It makes perfect sense fypov

Let's see what Math and mallow say.

I feel like snivy is pushing for "as many people as possible" frankly. You have him pushing me and skygazer while also pushing you and Math.

This feels aggressively Thief play.

[Skygazer]

The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.

arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate

we would need to have one person who is confirmed sleepyhead (not thief or follower)

how so?? the language just says we win if a cheese thief is revealed. if we need a non cheese thief left alive then a follower wouldn't necessarily be disqualifying in which case we know silverclaw cant be the thief and would be safe to have as last alive

[NDMath]

Also I just realized I've been referring to both mallow and Math as "he" without any evidence that this is the correct pronoun for either of them, so sorry about that.

What's your pronouns?

he is correct

Why? I think you are the thief.

well it doesn't matter who thinks who its just that i think you're the follower so you cant pivot over onto me from nd

i guess it doesn't matter if silverclaw is hamering though

I'm confused why you'd reach the conclusion that dragon would be my follower? Other than that DE has been expressing the most confidence against you, I don't think there's anything to suggest me being paired with them over anyone else.


A three or more way split is just bad since then follower will always be able to change their vote in a way that saves the cheese thief?
I am somewhat confused by voting mechanics so maybe I'm misunderstanding something


agree with #144, I'd really like to hear mallow's perspective right now

[camelCasedSnivy]

The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.

arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate

we would need to have one person who is confirmed sleepyhead (not thief or follower)

how so?? the language just says we win if a cheese thief is revealed. if we need a non cheese thief left alive then a follower wouldn't necessarily be disqualifying in which case we know silverclaw cant be the thief and would be safe to have as last alive

the hammerer can change their vote before deciding to end day (which could be a thief or a follower)

[Silverclaw]

At the risk of outing yourself to everyone immediately, yes

[camelCasedSnivy]

At the risk of outing yourself to everyone immediately, yes

as in, the person who decides to vote to end day last can change their vote before doing so