Open 885: Backup6 [Game Over]

[Aureal]

Or am I the only one who tries to think about gamestate like this?

I don't think I put enough brainpower into the game to think of it this way

But you post so much more than I do.

BTW can you elaborate on why you think Snivy is town? He's really kinda frustrating me right now with his like, total disregard for explaining most anything about his pov.

[Aureal]

do you think there's a benefit to scum!me in hammering the wagon myself instead of allowing t3 to do it?

Nah, the hammer itself didn't ping me as much as the reasoning behind it. Or lack thereof really. It felt like you jumped from Dann to T3 to Dunn and it didn't really seem like you cared which of the 3 were faded. I guess I would expect town!you to differentiate between the 3 and determine which is the scummiest instead of just going with the flow and wherever the wagons led you

Also, I do feel like while this isn't great in a vacuum, this attitude is possibly town indicative for Alianna at this point. I just finished a game with her and she wasn't seeming terribly motivated there either. Whereas I feel like if she got a Mafia role she'd be more likely to go "yeah!!! Curse is over!!!" and put in more effort.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: ccs

[Black]

Or am I the only one who tries to think about gamestate like this?

I don't think I put enough brainpower into the game to think of it this way

But you post so much more than I do.

BTW can you elaborate on why you think Snivy is town? He's really kinda frustrating me right now with his like, total disregard for explaining most anything about his pov.

I like the social aspect of the game but trying to figure out why people do what they do is hard

I'm not really confident in my Snivy read. I think his posts just give me townie vibes in the way that there doesn't really seem to be scummy motives there. Like what's the point of pocketing iavh? I feel like that doesn't benefit scum!Snivy as much as pushing him would. I think some of his posts seem a little too carefree like it could be an act but I'm not willing to believe that yet

[Black]

do you think there's a benefit to scum!me in hammering the wagon myself instead of allowing t3 to do it?

Nah, the hammer itself didn't ping me as much as the reasoning behind it. Or lack thereof really. It felt like you jumped from Dann to T3 to Dunn and it didn't really seem like you cared which of the 3 were faded. I guess I would expect town!you to differentiate between the 3 and determine which is the scummiest instead of just going with the flow and wherever the wagons led you

Also, I do feel like while this isn't great in a vacuum, this attitude is possibly town indicative for Alianna at this point. I just finished a game with her and she wasn't seeming terribly motivated there either. Whereas I feel like if she got a Mafia role she'd be more likely to go "yeah!!! Curse is over!!!" and put in more effort.

Hmmm. This is possible. I'll take a look at that game tomorrow morning

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #3

Abnegation

(1): Black (837)

Aureal

(1): camelCasedSnivy (825)

camelCasedSnivy (3) (F-1): Aureal (819), meowmeow (842), Dannflor (952)

Not Voting

(2): Abnegation, iamveryhappy

With seven alive, it takes four votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

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Pronoun Key

1. camelCasedSnivy : he / him / his
3. Black : she / her / her
4. Aureal : she / her / her
6. Dannflor : he / him / his
7. meowmeow : any / any / any
8. iamveryhappy : he / him / his
9. Abnegation : she / her / her

[Abnegation]

i need to consider the world where snivy/iavh are town and someone is playing me.

what triggered this thought

i think i'm coming around on snivy!town and it is worth it to me to consider that he may also be right on his townread.
his posting today does feel ??? but it's drawing a lot of attention for little reason if he's scum.
there are reasons to post the setup stuff as scum (rolefishing, trying to fake a slip, maybe actually roleblocker and too careless to make sure he's not tmi-ing), but none of them are all that compelling when i really think about it.
and like, does scum really respond to 856 with "im omgussing"?
it's a similar line of thought to what you said in 849 but i didn't realize it until yesterday.

probably isn't black/aureal or black/dann in that case (or in any case really).
stuff like 172, 182, 261 and so on feels more pockety than paired if aureal is scum.
and then there's 124.

Or am I the only one who tries to think about gamestate like this?

I don't think I put enough brainpower into the game to think of it this way

But you post so much more than I do.

BTW can you elaborate on why you think Snivy is town? He's really kinda frustrating me right now with his like, total disregard for explaining most anything about his pov.

I like the social aspect of the game but trying to figure out why people do what they do is hard

I'm not really confident in my Snivy read. I think his posts just give me townie vibes in the way that there doesn't really seem to be scummy motives there. Like what's the point of pocketing iavh? I feel like that doesn't benefit scum!Snivy as much as pushing him would. I think some of his posts seem a little too carefree like it could be an act but I'm not willing to believe that yet

snivy townread is also this except black did a better job of explaining it than i would.

eh

I think the initial setup posts to enter today look scummy but I see town making outrageous posts like that a lot

Rereading though, I don’t love the following reaction to being pushed for these posts. The reaction feels a little like being caught for the wrong reasons

what about it makes you think "caught for the wrong reasons?"

[Abnegation]

do you think there's a benefit to scum!me in hammering the wagon myself instead of allowing t3 to do it?

Nah, the hammer itself didn't ping me as much as the reasoning behind it. Or lack thereof really. It felt like you jumped from Dann to T3 to Dunn and it didn't really seem like you cared which of the 3 were faded. I guess I would expect town!you to differentiate between the 3 and determine which is the scummiest instead of just going with the flow and wherever the wagons led you

it was all blending together in my head, especially after i shifted on dann.

to be clear my point was specifically that i don't think snivy behaves like that as scum with exactly happy

as scum with anyone else it doesn't apply

OK, I guess we're all confused because it seemed like you were talking about a world where iamveryhappy is town. So whatever, then.

Did anyone have any thoughts on my thought experiment?

maybe i should think happy is town if i don't think he's scum with dannflor or snivy. shrug.

Thought experiment I've been mulling over: if happy is town, that means both Mafia were on the Dunnstral elimination. Why would they both get on that?

Or am I the only one who tries to think about gamestate like this?

i don't think 2 scum on the wagon is that weird of an idea.
in fact, i wonder if there's 2 scum on the snivy wagon right now...
(i will feel kind of stupid if my townread there is wrong but also i don't like that he's at e-1)

do you think there's a benefit to scum!me in hammering the wagon myself instead of allowing t3 to do it?

Nah, the hammer itself didn't ping me as much as the reasoning behind it. Or lack thereof really. It felt like you jumped from Dann to T3 to Dunn and it didn't really seem like you cared which of the 3 were faded. I guess I would expect town!you to differentiate between the 3 and determine which is the scummiest instead of just going with the flow and wherever the wagons led you

Also, I do feel like while this isn't great in a vacuum, this attitude is possibly town indicative for Alianna at this point. I just finished a game with her and she wasn't seeming terribly motivated there either. Whereas I feel like if she got a Mafia role she'd be more likely to go "yeah!!! Curse is over!!!" and put in more effort.

Hmmm. This is possible. I'll take a look at that game tomorrow morning

game link here if you need it.

[Abnegation]

was going to investigate more into my (tinfoil?) theory but i have to sleep, hopefully will be able to post more tomorrow.

[Black]

Abnegation could be town. I was able to look over the game and I find similarities in tone and productivity. The difference I'm seeing is it doesn't feel like she jumped on many wagons that game. She voted maybe 3 times that whole game and stuff like her vote on T-Bone in #259 was accompanied with lots of previous finger pointing and her providing reasons why he's probably scum. I guess I'm not seeing that same effort here. I'm not really sure what an Alianna scum game would look like but I would imagine she would try her best to mimic her town behavior rather than go all try hard mode and put in a ton of effort

I need to consider a town!Abnegation world a little more

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

[camelCasedSnivy]

wait i was at e-1 lmao

[camelCasedSnivy]

i think the only way that aureal dies is if i die here so that kinda sucks for me

dann why did you vote me and revoke it anyway

[Dannflor]

idk i don't know what im doing this game

[Dannflor]

i don't get why you are so confident in aureal

[Black]

i think the only way that aureal dies is if i die here so that kinda sucks for me

dann why did you vote me and revoke it anyway

Why do you think Aureal/Dann is the solve?

[camelCasedSnivy]

i think the only way that aureal dies is if i die here so that kinda sucks for me

dann why did you vote me and revoke it anyway

Why do you think Aureal/Dann is the solve?

if aureal is town then she decided to make a read off of one thing on the second day which is a terrible move in my opinion

dann not only was in my iamveryhappy/dunn/dann poe but he is kinda just sitting on the sidelines and NOW is pretending to not be confident on me

[Dannflor]

do you think i should have confidence in something right now

[camelCasedSnivy]

hopefully so

tommorow could be ELO

[Black]

if aureal is town then she decided to make a read off of one thing on the second day which is a terrible move in my opinion

Was it a terrible move because it involved sussing and voting you? To me it really seems like she believes you could be scum. She put thought into your other games in relation to how you're acting here and questioned me on my townread of you. I don't really think Aureal has been scummy and her stance on you feels more like a town progression imo

[Black]

dann not only was in my iamveryhappy/dunn/dann poe but he is kinda just sitting on the sidelines and NOW is pretending to not be confident on me

I can kinda see where you're coming from. Dann doesn't have the same drive he did D1 but I'm not sure how alignment indicative that is

I'm not really liking how Dann backed off your wagon. Abnegation/iavh/me were the only people that could hammer here and two of us have town leans on you and the third is, well, iavh (no offense). I guess it could be scum realizing the hammer wasn't going to happen

Idk, I still think Dann has shown a lot of naturally town thoughts this game. If he's scum then he's incredible at it

[meowmeow]

do you think there's a benefit to scum!me in hammering the wagon myself instead of allowing t3 to do it?

Nah, the hammer itself didn't ping me as much as the reasoning behind it. Or lack thereof really. It felt like you jumped from Dann to T3 to Dunn and it didn't really seem like you cared which of the 3 were faded. I guess I would expect town!you to differentiate between the 3 and determine which is the scummiest instead of just going with the flow and wherever the wagons led you

Also, I do feel like while this isn't great in a vacuum, this attitude is possibly town indicative for Alianna at this point. I just finished a game with her and she wasn't seeming terribly motivated there either. Whereas I feel like if she got a Mafia role she'd be more likely to go "yeah!!! Curse is over!!!" and put in more effort.

i think this makes sense

[Dannflor]

I'm just unvoting because I don't have conviction right now and want to wait until I have time to come back to the game and get some

[Dannflor]

I don't know why you aren't more suspicious of me Black

[meowmeow]

Or am I the only one who tries to think about gamestate like this?

I don't think I put enough brainpower into the game to think of it this way

But you post so much more than I do.

BTW can you elaborate on why you think Snivy is town? He's really kinda frustrating me right now with his like, total disregard for explaining most anything about his pov.

I like the social aspect of the game but trying to figure out why people do what they do is hard

I'm not really confident in my Snivy read. I think his posts just give me townie vibes in the way that there doesn't really seem to be scummy motives there. Like what's the point of pocketing iavh? I feel like that doesn't benefit scum!Snivy as much as pushing him would. I think some of his posts seem a little too carefree like it could be an act but I'm not willing to believe that yet

i think this overstates the extent to which scum utilise 'pocketing' as a strategy.

as scum you can't just scumread every potential elimination candidate - i mean, i guess you could, but that's likely to go badly. scum are probably more likely to townread anyone who they think 'looks towny' or they think they would townread as town

but i think snivy's defense of happy here feels a bit off/unnatural, like he knows happy is town already - i think his aureal read is off too

i do also think the newd3 thing was trying to look uninformed about the setup. happy being mafia doesn't mean he knows how every one of his actions will be received in the thread

i think ccs would give carefree vibes regardless of alignment