Open 887: Coalition of Frogs (Game Over)

[Merlyn]

hi, i am back.

the fact that this is friday does do wonders for my wim.

I guess I feel like I can get a better read on STD given more time so I'm not really in a rush to vote him yet.

I feel good things about your slot which historically means I'm being snowed by you since I''m not scumreading you

I feel like I can't really touch hero atp since everyone thinks he's town and maybe it's just me being the idiot who can't see it.

I dunno I feel worse about bella than before.

I'm not sold on Hero being town

i'm sold on you not being town though.

This is a weird post.

okay would you think i'm crazy if i suggested voting merlyn instead of one of the coalition members? probably yes. i mean i think i'm crazy right now because if i were sane then how come my coalition failed.

Why post this? Either scumread me, build a case, and vote me, or not. This is just useless shade.

VOTE: Mala

Days of no activity, then a sudden burst of activity leading to the hammer? I think your buddy was urging you to get in there behind the scenes

we should vote out someone in the coalition first - voting outside of coalition is p bad

Can we stash a Merlyn vote for later?

ok i think i'm really hapoy with reading drew as town for now.

Does it ususally work out for you finding town by choosing people who agree with your reads?

[Merlyn]

The most annoying thing about this is that I'm being set up for the next lim should I be wrong about std (or maybe even if I'm right, I don't know) and I really shouldn't be at the top of anyone's list. I'm one of the people trying to actually play this game, even though getting engagement has been like wringing blood from a stone. How are you going to even discuss limming me before you look into two people who voted for the coalition without even being in it? How does that not even warrant a cursory post exploring what you think about them?

[TheHoldSteady]

The last game I played with Merlyn she was town and got mislimmed after pushing on a slot everyone else town read. I'd be cautious, because I'm getting similar vibes here.

[Save The Dragons]

shocker

what the hell

Ari,talk to me about hero?

Would really love if people would play the game of mafia that we signed up for.

Bella's is at least technically content (and I guess she said she'd be low-content, idr if that's still going on) but like, ugh. This is 1/3 of the player list posting without giving any opinion on anything after

the coalition failed

. Like, the coalition is either the anticlimax where town wins or the climax of the setup where we're supposed to learn we were wrong about everything. And Mala and STD voted for the coalition and now have nothing to say now that it failed. Like it probably isn't just as easy as STD/Mala but if either of them is town then they had better give some reason to believe that

dude i was busy yesterday this was all i could manage. i got some time today so i want to take a look at all the coalition members. i also didn't realize i was hammering it because i can't count.

[Save The Dragons]

clearly i was wrong about someone i genuinely thought all the slots were townie, i'm still kind of seeing that so i'm trying hard to figure out who's scum. it's not me please stop voting me.

ari - i believe ari to be town on play but i could be wrong. what pings me about ari is the way she feels like this coalition is going to fail anyway. 276 would be a good post to bring up as scum because it makes her look town enough to put safely into the coalition and is something to fall back on when the coalition fails

hero at heart - hero is trying hard and the only thing i can think of is that if they're scum they're trying hard to look town but i don't think that scum gets into fights with people like hero has.

implo - implo feels like he's trying to sandbag me now this is going to sound OMGUSy but it feels wrong. On surface level a lot of posts seem townie but i could see scum making posts like 156 trying to sew discord where there's not much going on yet.

bella - again i don't think there's anything explicitly outside a scumrange here but i don't have a lot of info

std - handsome

[Save The Dragons]

i think hero is the one i'm most confident in being town

VOTE: implosion

[Hero at Heart]

Ugh I like hero's posting on this page and I can't work out if I'm being snowed.

what does "snowed" mean?

Not caught up thoughts:

Ari/hero scum.team feels very unlikely? Scum theatre is rarely scum theatre in my experience. Is there one scum in them, maybe.
Drew and implo still town.
Could be persuaded on std, low confidence reading them
Have low key read sr mer since like page 5.

same exact thoughts except that drew is not "still" town but was only recently upgraded to town.

[Hero at Heart]

This is a weird post.

why?

[Hero at Heart]

Why post this? Either scumread me, build a case, and vote me, or not. This is just useless shade.

VOTE: merlyn

hope you are happy now

[Hero at Heart]

Does it ususally work out for you finding town by choosing people who agree with your reads?

um, i'd say that it works better than random.
like it's not a perfect method, but then i don't know of any perfect method of finding town.

also i'd been previously thinking that you and drew were svt and this post by him strengthened this feeling and made him look townier in comparison to you.

[Hero at Heart]

i don't love std's claim that he didn't know it was a hammer vote though.

[Hero at Heart]

implo - implo feels like he's trying to sandbag me now this is going to sound OMGUSy but it feels wrong. On surface level a lot of posts seem townie but i could see scum making posts like 156 trying to sew discord where there's not much going on yet.

otoh i agree that 156 wasn't a good post at all
maybe i should re-read implo.

[Hero at Heart]

UNVOTE:

AGAIN.

[Merlyn]

This is a weird post.

why?

Because your read on me doesn't affect my read on you. Let me put it to you this way: what information were you trying to share with your post?

[Hero at Heart]

that i don't really care about your read on me

[Merlyn]

Does it ususally work out for you finding town by choosing people who agree with your reads?

um, i'd say that it works better than random.
like it's not a perfect method, but then i don't know of any perfect method of finding town.

also i'd been previously thinking that you and drew were svt and this post by him strengthened this feeling and made him look townier in comparison to you.

It does? Genuine question. What would, observing that you do that, stop scum from imitating it and pretending to agree with you? It's fine if this a post game question, I'm not really sure it helps me sort you.

[Merlyn]

that i don't really care about your read on me

You're not meant to, really. I was talking to someone else about you. That's what made it weird to me. It was like you felt you had to pop in and say 'don't listen to her, Ari!' and that kind of panic is something I associate with scum.

[Hero at Heart]

It does? Genuine question. What would, observing that you do that, stop scum from imitating it and pretending to agree with you? It's fine if this a post game question, I'm not really sure it helps me sort you.

two things:
the first thing is, i normally don't care only about what people

state

their reads to be, but also the reasoning behind it. so if someone copies all/most of my reads it looks obvious and i scumread that.
the second thing is, here it didn't feel like drew was catering to me because i had not recently expressed a desire to vote you when drew said that. if he had said that

after

i said i want to vote you, i might've even scumread him for it, but he said it before i said that, so it's clearly not imitation.

[Hero at Heart]

okay i read implo again and i think he's town tbh

honestly i think by associatives the solve is std + kittens/THS. i'm still leaning THS but could be kittens.

VOTE: std

i promise i won't unvote within 5 posts.

[Hero at Heart]

and like i just don't get std making a super obvious hammer post and then saying he didn't realize it was a hammer

i can't rationalize it.

it makes zero sense.

i would actually tr std if he said the hammer was intentional and that he was 100% sure it would win the game, but this retraction is

really

weird.

[Hero at Heart]

i just had this horrifying thought that i might not be night killed and i might be taken to a 3p yeetlo with ari and THS and then i'll have zero clue what to do and it will suck a lot.

scum can you please nightkill me. you know i'm very townie and never getting yeeted before 3p yeetlo, so it's a good kill.

[Merlyn]

It does? Genuine question. What would, observing that you do that, stop scum from imitating it and pretending to agree with you? It's fine if this a post game question, I'm not really sure it helps me sort you.

two things:
the first thing is, i normally don't care only about what people

state

their reads to be, but also the reasoning behind it. so if someone copies all/most of my reads it looks obvious and i scumread that.
the second thing is, here it didn't feel like drew was catering to me because i had not recently expressed a desire to vote you when drew said that. if he had said that

after

i said i want to vote you, i might've even scumread him for it, but he said it before i said that, so it's clearly not imitation.

Okay, I get that. Just to be clear I was not thinking Drew was doing that, I still pretty much mostly tr Drew .

[Merlyn]

and like i just don't get std making a super obvious hammer post and then saying he didn't realize it was a hammer

i can't rationalize it.

it makes zero sense.

i would actually tr std if he said the hammer was intentional and that he was 100% sure it would win the game, but this retraction is

really

weird.

I agree with this post. No I'm not trying to pocket you, I think that would be pretty silly of me at this point. I went back and looked at the hammer and it does read like someone hammering on purpose.

[implosion]

i'm not fully read up but no, i can't give reasons (in good faith) for everyone but std/mala to be town because that's not why my reads are in the state they are but i can justify a bunch of people if you want

[Hero at Heart]

go for it