Cheese Thief | Game 1 Over

[camelCasedSnivy]

/in
dont care about fall mousie

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tying probably isnt a good idea since the follower can break the tie before voting for day end

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i woke up at 4am

i want

mallowgeno

next for claim

[camelCasedSnivy]

also no one claimed seeing cheese thief

does this imply cheese thief woke up alone

[camelCasedSnivy]

6am

silverclaw is last, ye?

Also 6am

did you two wake up together?

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not really

you could be a follower

btw de70, in your full thoughts can you tell me if you woke up alone or not?

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lets let de70 post his thoughts with if he woke up with someone first

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de did you lie?

[camelCasedSnivy]

About?

the 1am time

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sorry i dont see where you claim it in your case

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i am staring as hard as i can just tell me

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the 1am time

Read my claim again.

just tell me what time you woke up at its not that hard

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but you couldve been lying since you said claim a different time than those you woke with

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whatever i woke alone and tracked mallow to 3 am im done

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so assuming me nor ndmath arent followers (which is less likely since thief should choose those they wake up with) it should be safe to claim if we saw cheese or not

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whatever i woke alone and tracked mallow to 3 am im done

huh

Why did you wait for me to claim before saying that?

But anyway from your POV Math is confirmed Cheese Thief unless SilverSky is actually best scum team that ever scummed in the Mish Mash forums.

ill read in full later

i wanted to see if you would lie but with the asking i did you probably couldve seen that so idk

[camelCasedSnivy]

whatever i woke alone and tracked mallow to 3 am im done

this is news
I think that just makes you thief from my perspective

how so

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also thats why i poocorned mallow

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what about de/mallow then? or the other pair that woke at 6?

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ok de follower mallow thief

VOTE: mallow

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math i think youre forgetting that the thief can kinda make people followers

[camelCasedSnivy]

i bet mallow is sharing a helping of cheese under those covers

[camelCasedSnivy]

ok de follower mallow thief

VOTE: mallow

cheese was stolen at 1
you saw mallow at not 1
it cannot be mallow thief

who saw it being stolen?

[camelCasedSnivy]

and why cant it be you or the skygazer/whoever else duo

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UNVOTE: , i guess

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so its either skygazer/other person interchangeably or ndmath/{skygazer or other person} with nd thief

so in all 4 cases skygazer and his partner are thief in only 1 case each

math is thief in 2 cases

VOTE: NDMath

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right silverclaw! sorry for calling you other person im lazy

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and why cant it be you or the skygazer/whoever else duo

Hi, we woke up at 6am

lying:

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nd woke at 2 am

nd what was your follow result btw?

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you do realize both of you could have woke up at 1am

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either way ndmath is 50% for me

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im assuming ndmath claimed a track on silverclaw

so its just me vs ndmath here ig

[camelCasedSnivy]

we have a 50% chance of winning normally, and a 50% chance if we try to tie the vote (follower is one of the 4)

the second option might actually be a good idea since the follower is 100% going to vote me, so this could mitigate any bias by forcing the follower to bus their teammate

[camelCasedSnivy]

so

me: nd + 2 people
nd: me + 2 people

we already win if the follower is voting the non-thief

theres also the order in which we agree to end the day. me and nd vote to end day and then we can force one person we think could be the follower (disallowing them from pivoting), which should result in slightly higher odds?

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@mod does everyone have to agree to end day or only a simple majority?

Edit replied instead of quote replied, that's why there is an edit, sorry - Mod

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oh hey i just got back

@mod does everyone have to agree to end day or only a simple majority?

Everyone, it's mostly in the sense of no one feels like they have anything left to contribute.

is there still majority voting? as in, does the day end when 4 people vote for one player?

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if there is majority voting then my plan is just ruined but the rules don't seem to say there is majority voting

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i say, if we end up doing my plan, DE and mallow can vote me, skygazer and silverclaw can vote ndmath, then we just have to guess who

isn't

the follower, and i don't think mallow is the follower tbh, so mallow can vote to end day last

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oh and even if we do choose the follower they would have to be voting the thief

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i say, if we end up doing my plan, DE and mallow can vote me, skygazer and silverclaw can vote ndmath, then we just have to guess who isn't
the follower, and i don't think mallow is the follower tbh, so mallow can vote to end day last

lol I was having doubts on you being Cheese Thief but mallow is literally my number 1 candidate for follower out of everyone regardless of who's the Cheese Thief.

Silverclaw should vote last.

well if I'm thief and mallow is follower then just have skygazer and silverclaw swap votes

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*mallow and silverclaw lol im dumb

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wait actually skygazer and silverclaw can vote me and de and mallow can vote nd then

[camelCasedSnivy]

lets just wait on mod response and if there's no majority

de can stay on me

math and silverclaw vote me

i can stay on nd

mallow and skygazer vote nd

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Why? I think you are the thief.

well it doesn't matter who thinks who its just that i think you're the follower so you cant pivot over onto me from nd

i guess it doesn't matter if silverclaw is hamering though

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also the fact that you think i would go through this effort to find the most optimal strategy and supposedly make it obvious its me + mallow lmao

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how did you reach this conclusion when I was the main person pushng the one you are now pushing?

simple

the follower is the loudest so they can divert the attention off of the thief

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sure

also damn, i did NOT think about that

ill take it into account but nd could still be scum, and that also furthers my theory of you being a follower

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we COULD do

3 way split: me, nd, skygazer

its the same thing where we just have to decide who isn't a follower but whoever votes who doesn't really matter because the follower can pivot from a non-thief

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it makes no sense to three way split with me bc i'm mechanically not the thief and we need to vote the thief???

Theoretically, Skygazer could've stolen the cheese at 1 AM, then picked Silverclaw as follower (Silverclaw really did wake up at 6 AM), and then Skygazer fluked and claimed the same time that Silverclaw woke up.

[camelCasedSnivy]

we

could

do a 4-way split, which would be 50% town winrate worst case

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The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.

arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate

we would need to have one person who is confirmed sleepyhead (not thief or follower)

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The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.

arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate

we would need to have one person who is confirmed sleepyhead (not thief or follower)

how so?? the language just says we win if a cheese thief is revealed. if we need a non cheese thief left alive then a follower wouldn't necessarily be disqualifying in which case we know silverclaw cant be the thief and would be safe to have as last alive

the hammerer can change their vote before deciding to end day (which could be a thief or a follower)

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At the risk of outing yourself to everyone immediately, yes

as in, the person who decides to vote to end day last can change their vote before doing so

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im thinking of literally any way the thief can get around autoloss. i doubt mizzy didnt take this into consideratiob

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im thinking of literally any way the thief can get around autoloss. i doubt mizzy didnt take this into consideration

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hold on

more mod questions incoming

@mod if everyone had one vote on them when the day ends, would everyone be revealed?

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we can do a split on me/sky/de/nd since the thief is confirmed in that group

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The more people we include in the tie, the easier it is for thief and follower to get their way with it. 2 is fine, 3 is really pushing it because thief or follower can vote late.

nope

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To clarify, I would not allow the hammerer to change their vote then be the last player to say they want voting closed, them changing their vote would give everyone else a chance to reconsider.

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The more people we include in the tie, the easier it is for thief and follower to get their way with it. 2 is fine, 3 is really pushing it because thief or follower can vote late.

nope

So your plan to split 6 votes among four people is? Having 2 people not vote is silly imo

we could do all 6 but people are voicing concerns about it. I'm fine with doing all 6

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... I just stated issues with all 6. This four plan is the same concept as the six plan.

whats the problem with it? (other than the whole cheating thing)

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ok, how many people would we vote before its considered cheating

4 does seem on the line

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i know its statistically more likely that nd is thief but damn de didnt even mention how mallow could STILL be a follower but not just to me.

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ok can i at least tie it against de so i know he isnt pulling something here

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UNVOTE: NDMath
VOTE: DragonEater70

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if nd or skygazer is thief they deserve it tbh

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someone else can vote me then 2 other people can vote de with me

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i know its statistically more likely that nd is thief but damn de didnt even mention how mallow could STILL be a follower but not just to me.

I mentioned it a bunch of times I think?

i meant math too lmao

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i would kill math along with you and me but you really wanna "play by the rules" and if you think its me im not letting someone doing an objectively anti town strategy get away with it

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i die anyway what is the problem with it?

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i meant math too lmao

wdym?

mallow could be maths follower

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Snivy
go look at Weird Dreams Mafia Redux and then go look at Normal Idea Mafia and tell me which alignment I am.

i want to kill you based off your strategy not based off your reads lol

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so then let me kill all 3 of you

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yeah ig theres no killing but im used to calling it that now

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i am literally letting you guys kill me how is this deflecting

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i want to kill you based off your strategy not based off your reads lol

Then you are being childish

You vote me because I am "not playing to wincon", but voting me based off that is even more not playing to wincon.

its more like im voting the safe option

[camelCasedSnivy]

Ugh

I hate this game

Why does everyone have to propose unfun autowin strats

mech = unfun autowin

werent you the one at the start saying how we could tie a vote anyway? or how we could auto catch the thief?

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and NOW we can’t break it

smh

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i mean it’s a good system some get me wrong but now we can’t double flip

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i mean it’s a good system dont get me wrong but now we can’t double flip

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its like onuw

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ok well im voting ndmath, i guess

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skygazer is probably town

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vote to end day

we can get this over with

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well i dont really care about convincing math since i think its him

de ive kinda given up on and am just hoping enough people vote with me tbh

[camelCasedSnivy]

Yeah snivy it's not me

Can I ask you a genuine question?

Is it in your scumrange to propose autoloss hoping it will be rejected and/or somehow manipulate out of it?

not as far as i took it

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DE has seen what, town!me and cult!me?

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i mean how would i have seen it coming that my strategy would just be obliterated

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well since it isnt auto now i feel like i have to bring that point up now

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i mean how would i have seen it coming that my strategy would just be obliterated

I imagine that if you're scum it was an "if I don't say it somebody else probably will". Also possible for you (or anybody really) to have been messaging the mod about the problem in a distinct stance from what's being said in thread.
Regardless, don't really want to speculate too much over gamebreaking strategy philosophy.

i didnt consider that tbh

but it wasnt me!

[camelCasedSnivy]

the deadline being imminent is making me question everything but I should probably just stop my paranoia.
Really want more from mallow still

who are you voting

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the only realistic teams from my perspective are math + mallow, math + silver or de + mallow

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actually i might rule out math + silver

I'm not sure what town mallow in mish mash looks like but from resistance at least mallow was just kinda... there (and was scum)

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i was afraid silverclaw was a townie who would vote against me if i called them out on math + silver so i revoked the possibility lol

also mallow what u doing

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mizzy was a good mod anyway, i was skeptical about the voting system but glad it was a fair game in the end!

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if theres next game ill play again