Open 885: Backup6 [Game Over]

[Dannflor]

so im eliminating a ccs/meowmeow team and a meowmeow/black team

is there any case against a snivy/black team

because if i can eliminate that i would just always be voting iavh here

[Black]

You act like every single player here just makes the correct play in the heat of the moment

[Dannflor]

I often get push back for saying things like that but i have proposed in multiple games before that the correct play is just to eliminate the VT claim because they claimed VT

idk i was not trying to get you to claim i thought there was no way you weren’t anything but a VT after that

[Dannflor]

You act like every single player here just makes the correct play in the heat of the moment

It’s not about that

As a PR you are basically conf town unless someone ccs you

Psychologically you would never assume you would get eliminated in an open setup

[Black]

I don't think of the game that way. I know I should, but I just don't

[Dannflor]

Why have you been so confident in your meow read? I feel like Ausuka is probably a good enough scum player where you should probably have more doubts than you have displayed this game

I mean I probably should have if she’s scum here

Idk i try to generally as a rule only suspect people if i think i have a good reason to not just because they have a reputation of a good scum game

I haven’t felt I’ve had a decent enough reason to consider her seriously as scum until today

[Dannflor]

I don't think of the game that way. I know I should, but I just don't

ok that’s fine but it is how i think about it

[meowmeow]

black/snivy looks very possible from an ISO of black

the one thing that gives me pause is that snivy goes in a bit hard with the defense of black and it doesn't seem super likely scum snivy does that - i think it's more intuitive for scum players, especially newish ones, to do at least a bit more distancing

[Dannflor]

that being said i also think scum are inherently guilty so maybe im just a weirdo

[meowmeow]

the emotional play there is to claim pr and dunk the people pushing you

i just cannot fathom any thought process that leads anyone to say they're ok with being hammered as pr idk

[Black]

What you are saying makes sense though, I'm just surprised you assume all players make the best psychological decision in emotional moments

[Dannflor]

well if CCS is scum he 100% hard defended his partner from my pov

I think it makes some sense in this setup and as newer scum I’ve also had the thought process of “i’ll just defend them so hard no one will think we’re aligned”

I actually won purgatory a notoriously town sided setup off that *brag*

[Black]

the emotional play there is to claim pr and dunk the people pushing you

i just cannot fathom any thought process that leads anyone to say they're ok with being hammered as pr idk

Fine. I don't really want to argue about this anymore

[Black]

To assume snivy and I are scum you would have to assume we hard defended each other pretty much the entire game

[Dannflor]

What you are saying makes sense though, I'm just surprised you assume all players make the best psychological decision in emotional moments

It’s not about making the best decision

I think you made if town made a bad emotional decision

But i don’t think that decision would have crossed your mind if you had a PR role pm

[Black]

I'm starting to think Dann/meow is less likely than Freedom/meow or Freedom/Dann

I still think snivy is town

[Dannflor]

I don’t particularly think Black is scum individually after rereading most of the game

That’s the most compelling reason for me to eliminate ccs/black

[Black]

But i don’t think that decision would have crossed your mind if you had a PR role pm

ok

[Dannflor]

idk rereading the game last night kinda tunneled me onto snivy

Black what are the specifics behind your town read there

[meowmeow]

well if CCS is scum he 100% hard defended his partner from my pov

I think it makes some sense in this setup and as newer scum I’ve also had the thought process of “i’ll just defend them so hard no one will think we’re aligned”

I actually won purgatory a notoriously town sided setup off that *brag*

i mean that's fair from your perspective. i do think at least on the surface level ccs/dann is more likely but i haven't like sat down and properly read both of you

i think it's fair to say scum do hard defense sometimes but i see them put their partners in null to scum a lot more so it's like a matter of probability. there isn't any team here which i think is actually impossible

i also think as a high effort player you're naturally more likely to do things which aren't intuitive compared to the average player. hopefully that is phrased well

[Dannflor]

If i decide to trust black here im just gonna vote iavh regardless probably because the only two teams left would be iavh/meowmeow and iavh/snivy

I don’t currently think iavh/snivy should be cleared though

[Dannflor]

I think even as a “high effort” player I never swap back and forth between ccs and abnegation so many times yesterday

like what was i doing there if paired with ccs

he very well could have flipped

I wasn’t making myself look good if he did flip red

[Black]

I don't have many specifics other than I don't think he has an agenda and I can't really see him being paired with my other suspects. The only agenda ping I've gotten was a few posts ago when he tried to subtly cast doubt on me, but even then I can see town!snivy having that thought

[Dannflor]

but maybe that’s what i want you to think

[Dannflor]

i find it incredulous snivy thinks i think i can pocket him when our only other game together i was widely town read scum who pushed a miselim on him