Okay, let me explain something. I thought of this on the way back home from work:In post 842, usesPython wrote: If you're not gonna hammer on a VT claim then it's not intent to hammer
I think there are two conflicting worldviews here about wagons. Mine, and all of yours.
You guys think it's scummy to change wagons after E-1. I understand why. You think we should give scum as little info as possible, which is, in a vacuum, a good thought process.
But you forget what is town's main weapon - pressure. Pressure, and nothing else, will make scum reveal themselves as scum. Scum can just chill in the sidelines as long as they have 2 votes on them. WHo even cares about 2 votes? I don't. But when they get to E-1, when you see how they handle the pressure, that's when you can REALLY determine's a person alignment.
Scum thrive in an environment with low pressure - where no wagon ever gets over 2-3 votes, for instance. If only one person gets to E-1 every day, then town has a pretty low chance to lim scum that day, in actual fact. The best town games I've seen were games where town worked together to exert a lot of pressure on scum AND on town. The worst town games I've seen are games where the entire day went by with no real pressure on anyone and then a random wagon got limmed at deadline.
I'll give an example:
Conception - I got ran up to E-1, claimed, and then everyone unvoted and switched for Rautherdir - who was scum. While I did claim a role that wasn't VT, this was role madness and my role was actually pretty useless, so it wasn't as much "being a PR" as it was just handling pressure well and sounding townie. Or take Newbie 2112 - I got to E-2 TWICE within the first page, not even due to RVS votes. I handled the pressure well and got townread. then 2 others including a PR were "intent to hammer'd" before we settled on a scum lim. And you might say that town misplayed and we should've limmed the first claimed VT (who was scum), but by continuing we actually managed to solve the game and find his teammate on Day 1.
On the other hand, here's a game where nobody but the lim of each day was E-1'd (not counting RVS). This game was a resounding town loss where scum intentionally left alive two strong town players because these strong town players had NO CHANCE to prove they are town by REACTING TO PRESSURE.
And this, my friends, is why I acted the way I acted this game. I wanted to get people to E-1 outside of RVS. Even myself if necessary. And I think that Gimli's reaction to pressure was pretty townie, so yeah I'm TRing him.
