TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[ZZZX]

No idea

I guess he just confirmed it, I am planning to read up on everyone here, and other than my read on cook after the events of yesterday, I don't have as concrete of reads. Which doesn't look good admittedly, but life got in the way and I am simply trying to get through the game by now so I can sort out stuff in life.

But I will give whatever effort I can do here, It is 2 AM by now and so I will go sleep soon, but I do promise in the next 2 days to give a full read list of everyone

And can we stop voting randomly like that, I'd rather not cause an early lim on someone, and then lose the game to a random mix of abilities

[TemporalLich]

VC 4.4

Not voting: Cook, Eiralox, ZZZX, Gamma Emerald, Elements

With 5 alive it takes 3 to exile.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-11-04 00:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

The moderator will be V/LA from October 29th to November 1st.

[ZZZX]

Also, I am actually curious about what role converted to a VT. Maybe you can check what role was submitted? Because we already have a number of strong-appearing roles.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm down to VOTE: eira too

cringe

[ZZZX]

Also, I am actually curious about what role converted to a VT. Maybe you can check what role was submitted? Because we already have a number of strong-appearing roles.

Oh, nevermind, I read that NM picked all winners and got it all veto'd?

Ok, honestly sounds like NM alright

[ZZZX]

Anyway, I will hit the bed now, and I will read further afterwards

[Cook]

i don’t exactly like Unknown Role but that does explain a lot thank you zzzx

[Gamma Emerald]

I lean towards pushing out Elements here

[Cook]

is it because they’re the not_mafia slot or is it because they’re in the not_mafia slot

[Gamma Emerald]

uhhh I don't see the difference
I think the claim feels more dubious than what ZZZX claimed
it's perfectly believable, but it doesn't help us with much

[Eiralox]

eira... i was SRing eira but i'm now realizing that was because bingle was saying so. and bingle flipped red. so that wouldn't make sense

Why could that not be distancing?
I think Eira's positioning around the Bingle wagon could be used as a good argument for them being aligned

was waiting for cook to say this d3. you'd have to reach far to think i wasn't genuinely put off by bingle's feculent push one me this game or at any point didnt rightly believe them scum.

depending how daring Eira (I'm just gonna start refering to the final scum as Eira on the assumption we exile zzz today and the game doesn't end) is feeling

no daring totally bored. funny you name last scum eira and not gamma.

I can see Eira being an Alien

ok got me here i'm from andromeda. always truckin' town ingame tho.

I'm down to VOTE: eira too

i'm too lazy to be surprised atp but

I'm down to VOTE: eira too

cringe

basically this when i saw it
but back then didnt see your unvote
so
from me it's 50% cringe
and 50% i don't want to enter limlo and be the deciding vote
but
Cook probs dies
so
meh

uhhh I don't see the difference
I think the claim feels more dubious than what ZZZX claimed
it's perfectly believable, but it doesn't help us with much

not sure what elements is trying to pull on me after voting bingle, itenerants and titus with me

BUT

still prefer ZZZX today

they not town, d1 votes make this obvious

werewolf with itenerants

i'll try and read more later just think their role is to have a role atp

and Jackson actually felt real when claiming VT so *shrug*

rn my suggestion is ZZZX and beyond that it's a role of dice

because Eira isnt really a player town wants to play for them in limo track record is 2 losses 1 win so choosing between gamma and elements if that's gonna play out already a hard thing for me

[Eiralox]

Also, I am actually curious about what role converted to a VT. Maybe you can check what role was submitted? Because we already have a number of strong-appearing roles.

I mean you're a werewolf.

So you think there's one scum left? Is it gamma or elements?

[Eiralox]

then i again if forget that if i'm in limlo i am a gun owner so

depending on the roles left...
if they can't kill me...
and it's just ZZZX + ???

then town should still win this?

[Eiralox]

or it's a draw? dk

[Eiralox]

I did consider claiming town soldier to draw a kill but now it 2 late. No one will believe it now and im not in effort mode playing skyrim lole

Anyway

Havent hammered zzzx cos rn need cooks advice re elements and gamma in part

[ZZZX]

i don’t exactly like Unknown Role but that does explain a lot thank you zzzx

Well, I liked to pick my roles around having the power to create controlled chaos (e.g. Death faker), having the power to win the game with the correct condition (Town pyro, dosing people who I think will survive to 3-4 man, and in a lim-lo night just ignite everyone else to try and win), or just believing in the chance (E.g. the unknown role), and it worked nicely since things like the unknown role aren't a death sentence if claimed (compared to other anti-town roles which if caught are 100% scum and you have to fake claim).

Although the roles I RNG'd in this game are tragic.

[ZZZX]

is it because they’re the not_mafia slot or is it because they’re in the not_mafia slot

Not sure what you mean, but in a sense I can believe those roles being picked by NM, but tbh I accepted that the VT claim is either NAI at best, or slight scum lean because its very avoiding, but I think reading on roles at this point doesn't help much tbh

[ZZZX]

uhhh I don't see the difference
I think the claim feels more dubious than what ZZZX claimed
it's perfectly believable, but it doesn't help us with much

Yea, more or less what Gamma said here

[ZZZX]

...
they not town, d1 votes make this obvious
...

How so? I've seen you try to talk about me very lightly yesterday, making me scum with random player of the day at random points, making me scum with other players regardless of their alignments, and somehow made me out to be both of WW and Mafia at a certain point. And your explanation is my D1 votes which, had me being with confirmed town now 100% of the time, when WW were on nono, I was on the other wagon, and the only case for me being teammates with WW is that I... wasn't on the mini wagon that formed on them at that point of time when I was away that day?

I told you earlier, I don't mind being scum read, I mind someone using bullshit to scum read me. Scum tried in my last game. They tried to make the fact I didn't have solid scum reads as a reason for why I am scum, or me being busy and away for a part of the game, or my "voting" being off because they didn't like it. But they failed to get me out, because it was all bullshit Just like this time.

I still don't have a read on you, I need to ISO you and build a case, like I did in my last game, to decide on such with everyone else, but just like last game, the moment someone starts using crappy arguments to justify having a read, when it doesn't exist, it usually points to something.


... If you think I am wrong, or my explanation is inadequate, or if you can be happy to provide a better explanation than "You are wolf" and "Day 1 shows it clearly" without details, I am happy to get into a conversation, until then, that's all I have to say regarding this.

[ZZZX]

Also, I am actually curious about what role converted to a VT. Maybe you can check what role was submitted? Because we already have a number of strong-appearing roles.

I mean you're a werewolf.

So you think there's one scum left? Is it gamma or elements?

I donno, hard to say if 1 scum with an extra NK ability, or two.
12v3v2 could be it, but it feels a bit weak, 11v4v2 seems like a bit too anti-town, and 12v3v1v1 makes no sense, most realistic case is something like 12v3v2v1. So probably a wolf and a third party. if I had to guess. But we have no info on it what so ever at the moment. Especially as we only had one night with an extra kill which is interesting. Meaning there is probably some bulletproof role somewhere that is not being claimed, or a RB, and since none claimed either of those, we have a lying person about their role, and that person is most likely a third-party. At least that's my guess. But again its grandest idea so there is zero point in trying to find out for sure because we simply can't. Only thing we know is someone is lying about their role.

[Cook]

is it because they’re the not_mafia slot or is it because they’re in the not_mafia slot

Not sure what you mean, but in a sense I can believe those roles being picked by NM, but tbh I accepted that the VT claim is either NAI at best, or slight scum lean because its very avoiding, but I think reading on roles at this point doesn't help much tbh

there's no difference between the two, it was a little joke. sorry that it didn't get across well

either way, NM totally would have picked those roles, that's something NM would definitely do

it is also very... helpful? for the NM slot as a whole to effectively have an unreadable player in the first day of the game

[Cook]

i don’t exactly like Unknown Role but that does explain a lot thank you zzzx

Well, I liked to pick my roles around having the power to create controlled chaos (e.g. Death faker), having the power to win the game with the correct condition (Town pyro, dosing people who I think will survive to 3-4 man, and in a lim-lo night just ignite everyone else to try and win), or just believing in the chance (E.g. the unknown role), and it worked nicely since things like the unknown role aren't a death sentence if claimed (compared to other anti-town roles which if caught are 100% scum and you have to fake claim).

Although the roles I RNG'd in this game are tragic.

yeah that's totally fair i kinda picked based off of control to try to make the game more townsided

[Cook]

either IC myself and get put in a good masonry, or vanillaize everyone, or get three bullets

the alien was a halfhearted choice tbh

[Eiralox]

...
they not town, d1 votes make this obvious
...

How so?

... If you think I am wrong, or my explanation is inadequate, or if you can be happy to provide a better explanation than "You are wolf" and "Day 1 shows it clearly" without details, I am happy to get into a conversation, until then, that's all I have to say regarding this.

just not into arguing anymore

between elements gamma and you i'm voting you that's it

sorry u had to type all that

but fmpov you're already sorted, aligned with itenerants. don't need to argue that for myself. and don't really care how others act anymore tbh i'm over this basically just want the game to end atp

[Eiralox]

either way, NM totally would have picked those roles, that's something NM would definitely do

yeah i still think N_M got a vannila'd role at least

elements was town in the single scum game i played here
and i did drama bus the hell out of bbt there
and i did expect that you were voting me based on 'eira didnt hammer bingle' or such but it seems i was wrong
but me expecting it to come from u means i shouldnt take elements sussing me on it as scum indic

my only problem rn is im suspecting another scum
if there is has to be gamma and elements
and i ended d3 having heavy town feels on both
so
i can easily fall to bias trap and convince myself that someone's scum if they ain't
been pretty on point this game but know my luck doesn't always last
still scum cant really kill me so.... meh

maybe i should just vote zzzx and worry about this bs d5