I will make the claim that when a player who does not consistently type in the patterns that I am referring to types in those patterns it is a massive scumtell. There exist players who talk like that as town and for them it's null and I had concluded that it is null for you right around when I unvoted (because that was the teeth of my vote on you, you saying things that were "off" as opposed to the Meuh vote which was just more throwing fuel on the fire, it was never more than an oddity) and as for why I was disinterested in revisiting the discussion with you there were two reasons:In post 883, beeboy wrote:In post 875, Mandate wrote: I think I'm just gonna stop this thing I'm doing and start playing more openly again
My goal with this game was essentially to bait a specific reaction from scum. I wanted to build a townblock that was good enough to win to force scum to react to it but I also wanted to have a low enough obvious ability to generate thread presence and have for there to be potential weaknesses in that town block to put it forward and then wait for specific ways that I was expecting scum to try to dismantle it. I didn't really want to discourage a wagon on Dannflor because I wanted to see who would push it and why and what else would go on if I took off the gas. I remain fairly confident of the general strength of the townblock (thought it may have at most 1 scum, but probably doesn't). I actually am not sure if Merlyn is the scum-trying-to-destroy-townblock that I was looking for because I really just think she tilt voted me for not doing what she wanted (even if she's scum I think this is true) but I think that we did find one in Beeboy, who has not actually himself had much interest in pushing anyone scum but has been pretty continually attacking and shading townreads on people and implying that the townblock is scum heavy while not really being interested in instigating a conflict in any one person. The Meuh vote feels pretty done for the sake of doing things from where I'm standing but ymmv on that, I think 422 is pretty terrible, and there's a lot of tonal things that ping me regarding them.
I mean here's everything they say about Meuh:Meuh had a strange opener, like the real one not the rvs vote, I’ll hold my breathe for now because I can sorta see myself over explaining like that as either alignment. But over explaining simple NAI things is more of a scum trait even if it’s not concrete. As I kept reading though I find it hard to care.don’t really think Meuh has done anything special in all honesty.It's... really not convincing, there's a lot of words that don't really say anything and even though this is supposedly the big scumread there's a lot of waffle wording, like "null or almost even wolfy" or saying something "can easily be" reactionary.I already made my post about it, I think there opening was wolfy and they have a few posts they got credit for that feel null or almost even wolfy to me.
#448 for example can easily be reactionary to the question and generally just make me feel Meuh looks worse instead of better.
This in particular just feels straight openwolf, I don't really buy that Beeboy feels that the game state is especially stale or unreadable on the second (third now?) day of a game and pretty much the only person who is openly waiting to vote a lurker is me but he stops short of saying it and even outside of that this comment is just so bad, like I am not buying for one moment a town says "a lack of readability generally favors the wolves".It's why i think the actives contain more scum then not?
In general if everyone is comfortable waiting to vote out a lurker you don't want to place a vote and thus shift the gamestate in a way that makes it more readable. A lack of readability generally favors the wolves since when playing at complete random I believe wolves tend to win statistically but I could be wrong.
basically stale discussion = discussion is controlled by people who don't care that it's stale = discussion controlled by not town.
Regarding Dannflor: the claim was made that scum!he just lazily townread me for having a strong presence. I don't think anyone has pushed us as SvS so I don't need to defend that accusation. What I have to say regarding that is that he -didn't- townread me. Explicitly. He townread someone else that I also townread but didn't give a townread to me. I had to prompt it and he still wouldn't give me an explicit townread, just a lean. In contrast to what other people say about him giving me an easy townread I think it's kind of obvious that he was never fully comfortable in that townread and I also think it's kind of obvious that it has to do with him alt guessing me as a strong scum player. And I felt all this as it was going on and it felt far outside the bounds of something that Dannflor as scum would think to fake. He was also just very, idk, in the flow on the first page of the game and didn't feel forced or offbeat at all and I'm very much struggling with anyone characterizing his play as wanton scum!Aggression because there's the interesting vote hop taly->Keyleth that I really liked plus the fact that he didn't really, like, push anyone that hard? I also struggle with the characterization of him as meme voting because I think he was continually providing game relevant content while he was here so the push on him just entirely doesn't grok with the ISO of his that I've read.
Anyway I'll VOTE: Beeboy now and spice up the game since although I really really would like to have waited at least a couple days for Alisae and others to do more things I think that my being hands off is just not gonna happen in this game.
I’ve never once stated it to be a major read on my part and very close to my vote post I stated I see votes as a free resource to just use because you can. Like half your comment on this is stating this is a big read from me when it very clearly just isn’t. Do you genuinely believe what your saying here and what kind of town pressures someone by misrepresenting them it’s not really hard to refute.
waffle wording is a personality trait and is almost never alignment indicative. It’s largely just a buzz word used to push people. I guess you can just disagree with this though since it’s not an objectively false statement I am relatively uncertain of things.
There isn’t anything else here I think I need to comment on.
1) I don't really like saying "I had this read X for reason Y but decided it sucked and I wanted to do something else." I think it, I don't actually want to be saying it, especially in a case like this where the crux of my argument is something a lot of people would deem NAI (wrongly in my view) and I don't actually want to give people ammunition to discredit me in the future if I push someone on that basis. Especially because there was someone I had my eye on for similar reasons. Not that I'm consciously thinking about that kind of future instance but it subconsciously affects my disinterest in discussing it.
2) I'm sorta desperate to lock down scum and talking with you doesn't help me find scum because I'm pretty sure you aren't scum and when I switched votes I was already at like 70% and since I'm generally a universal townread there isn't really any strategic gain to trying to assuage your potential dislike of my slot as opposed to just moving forward and trying to find someone that I actually do want to lim. I can see how that's annoying/perturbing on a personal level and that's why I'm bothering now but I do believe the time I devoted to this has not helped town in any meaningful way, which I'm fine with but it makes going to this effort take a little bit of prompting.
