Toriel's Patience (end)

[Freedom]

I just forgot they existed.
My bad.

[Freedom]

Sorry.

[Freedom]

Catching up soon.

[Dannflor]

i think alisae if scum is probably being bussed

Is this a helpful thought right now?

I just mean alisae is not trying to stay alive and spewing very little so either they are town or scum is sacrificing them intentionally

I think it’s something to consider in reading alisae

[Taly]

WHO IS SCUM

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND

[Sakura Hana]

from your pov it is okay to want to flip me

from my pov im confused af

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:
However i dont think my vote reflects my current state of mind anymore.

[Taly]

You feel

Meuh

is town?

[Sakura Hana]

You feel

Meuh

is town?

I feel that i dont even know what's going on anymore, did u read my other post?

[Bingle]

also I was trying to remember just what games it was that made implo scared of me which had me re-reading my older games and omg i am cringing so hard jesus christ

Did GIF claim something again?

[Bingle]

But beeboy isn't in game anymore?
P-edit: @Ali

Lol, beeboy didn't actually get replaced.

[Taly]

I guess i'll go play some videogames, and come back with a clearer mind.
Then i'll try to figure out this mess.
But there's one thing that's been bugging me.
And that is Alisae.
I dont think Alisae Scum makes the kind of posts e did towards me.
In fact sometimes i think that i'm eir literal focus this entire phase.
Yet if Alisae's town, then i'm wrong somewhere.
And i need to figure out where my head is at.
My gut's telling me to vote freedom.
My mind's telling me to stay on Meuh.
My townreads say freedom's likely town.
My heart says Meuh's likely town.

I don't even know where to go anymore

Flips table

Ok, rant over, maybe i do really need to clear my head a bit.

If you can't think about what is most probable, think about what is most feasible.

If you struggle to know where to vote based off a read, use that like secondary information and focus on what could be scum and also what is a push that congeals with your townreads. Town needs to make a group decision regardless of what it ends up being, a town controlled wagon or elimination is better than not. You still have that.

[Taly]

I feel like

Meuh

has been silent a good bit recently. Either low WIM from being consistently suspected may be town, or playing dead.

With the lack of response

Shirou

is getting in thread relative to the people posting, it's unlikely they have teammates trying to townbloc from the prompt set. So I'm feeling better on

Shirou

-town.

I wonder if my read on

Implo

m] superficial, and this slot is somewhat controversial, so I want people to share their opinions of it with me.

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[Taly]

I like

Bingle

more so it's very likely I actually have townbinned at least 1 scum.

How does everyone feel about

Key

?

[Taly]

There is no mystery in this game that can't be worked through with more discussion.

[Random Nurse]

Alright so I have some time to put towards this game. Is there anything new of substance at the moment? And no I'm not lurking, I just came off 6 nights in a row and am just now wrapping up some of my chores I do on my nights off. I just need to get into the game a bit to find my footing.

[implosion]

Also

Implo

, how do you get the idea I'm a good scum player if you haven't seen me as scum before?

i actually have no idea where it's from, i'm guessing it's from reading some random game that you were in where someone called you good as scum or something along those lines. Or maybe it's just a wholesale fabrication of my mind!

[implosion]

I don't even know where to go anymore
Flips table

Ok, rant over, maybe i do really need to clear my head a bit.

I think it's worth taking a moment to just acknowledge that it's okay in a game like this setup to feel this way. We're implicitly townhunting and there's quite a long d1 deadline and we have no hard info and it's a completely mountainous setup except for Dunn, and even then him being Toriel gives us no info about him. We are strictly trying to build something out of nothing and so it makes sense that it feels like running in circles.

[implosion]

I want more discussion in this day

I think there's a point at which more discussion will be a strictly bad thing because, vis a vis my last post, it's probably just going to hurt morale/engagement until we get some info to go off of. Of course if you're now not feeling good about the Alisae wagon then etc, but I think prolonging the day for the sake of wanting more discussion broadly is just going to cause consternation when the trajectory of most of this game right now is summed up by a sentiment that I think I mentioned earlier where it feels like no matter who comes under the spotlight, they will find a way to worm their way out of it. Mandate's presence in the game was i think good in a way because Mandate eventually found someone that it seemed they weren't going to waver on (Meuh). But everyone in this game now seems inclined to waver constantly, which I'm not saying makes them scummy (it doesn't) nor that it's bad play (i don't think it is, but i think that could be debated). But it does make it viscerally feel like no progress is being made.

also I was trying to remember just what games it was that made implo scared of me which had me re-reading my older games and omg i am cringing so hard jesus christ

I think i'm proud of the fact that i can reread games from like, within the past 5ish years and they don't make me cringe that much, but gosh reading old games is truly extremely cringe-inducing

[implosion]

Alright so I have some time to put towards this game. Is there anything new of substance at the moment? And no I'm not lurking, I just came off 6 nights in a row and am just now wrapping up some of my chores I do on my nights off. I just need to get into the game a bit to find my footing.

I'd say current players in particular to comment on would be Alisae (the leading wagon), Meuh (the previous wagon/generally somewhat contentious slot), me (who other people have said to rep-ins to comment on since i've been contentious). Really if you can come up with what you think are good reasons to think someone is scum in this game, that would be useful since I think the dominant feeling in this game is the feeling of "it's hard to find scum".

[implosion]

My current feelings: I still think Random Nurse is the slot I think is being prematurely PoE'd because I still think Ari was in her scumrange. I feel better about Taly being town. I don't specifically see what in Bingle's posting is making Taly feel better about the slot, and I think the Brown Eyes single post I was reading off of is sort of not really up to the standard of this game at this point, so I want to consider Bingle more. I still feel good about Keyleth as town. I think I'm probably being premature when my gut says to take Meuh out of the PoE; I think probably she should still be in there when compared with the rest of the game, she's had like, some good individual posts but I don't really feel like she's done much that isn't fakeable as a scum who pops in to the thread, does a round of Faking Stuff, then leaves; i.e., I don't think she has any particularly challenging-to-fake progressions, or particularly original/nuanced reasoning that would be hard to fake, or anything like that. A part of her recent posting feels a little bit defeatist, and I don't want to use that term in a negative way exactly - just like, compare someone like Taly, who seems viscerally annoyed that she keeps finding new reasons to townread people. Like, I suspect Taly is going to read this post I'm making right now and go "fuck, i guess i was right that implo was town" and be annoyed at that. I think that's the emotional state that this game is kind of imposing on townies, and I don't really get any feeling of deep concern over the correctness of Meuh's reads coming from her. She's kind of parked her opinion on me to be some sort of broad suspicion but not a push. She did the case on me after ISOing me but like, from what I can tell she has not substantively commented on a post I have made in around five days. I don't think that's the behavior of town who has the stance she does on me in the gamestate we're in, where like, I think the average voice in this game is mostly-but-not-confidently townreading me. She should be either talking to people about why I'm scum, or looking at my posts and evolving her read on me in response to them, or trying to suss me out, or like, interacting with me or my content in any way.

Unvote

VOTE: Meuh

I've re-convinced myself. Still okay with an Alisae lim as well now though, but.

[Bingle]

I’m not a huge fan of the last couple of implo posts. They’re all “right” in the sense that if I was reading them in MD I feel like I’d be nodding along but like, in the context of the game they just feel like he’s doing something to be doing something. Taly, can you point to where you slotted implo as town?

[Bingle]

To clarify, not your argument that he is town, but rather the post/posts that gave you that feeling.

[Bingle]

There is no mystery in this game that can't be worked through with more discussion.

Mr. Toucan, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a bowl of Froot Loops?

[Taly]

I’m not a huge fan of the last couple of implo posts. They’re all “right” in the sense that if I was reading them in MD I feel like I’d be nodding along but like, in the context of the game they just feel like he’s doing something to be doing something. Taly, can you point to where you slotted implo as town?

I think the last couples of posts are a good example of why I got the townvibes from

implo

.

There's a lot of fluidity to his reads that I don't think is conducive to scum in a favorable gamestate (I'm assuming scum want a gamestate where town is pretty disenfranchised to assert a vote, even if it is an old one.) They're looking a bit below surface level by asking what the gamestate means in the context of how he reads people, particularly

Mandate/Meuh/myself

. It's a level of thought I see a lot in his ISO, and I think that's difficult to fake in most contexts.

Do you think

implo

is TMI'ing anyone? How do you read

Meuh

?