Toriel's Patience (end)

[Taly]

if

dann

is scum what does he gain from lolvoting me?

[Alisae]

Like I don't understand the deadline pressure to feel like things have to be organized now and we have to kill someone new.
This village is not going to let deadline run out, I just don't see that being a thing that realistically happens. If people can't be there for end of day then (btw this game should just be plurality w/ majority option instead of LITERALLY LETTING WOVLES DECIDES WHO DIES THAT IS CRAZY) we can cross that bridge when we get there and take that into consideration then but until then we got time on the clock we can burn and I'm happy to burn through it.

[Taly]

im actively trying to counter your wagon

ali

[Taly]

ali

how do you think a decision in 48 hrs will be any less scum-driven in this gamestate?

that implies scum must be voting from the last page, and probably more than one.

{Taly, Shirou, Dannflor, Meuh}

[Alisae]

how do i read you V dann and NOT think its a "no u" contest?

I mean I read Dann off of intuition and Dann doesn't have much to go off of so it's literally is just a no u contest.
I would actually be more willing to consider this a TvT if Dann didn't come across as overexplainy and overjustified because my theory is that I feel like Dann instinctively as wolf just wants to look good and when you want to look good you are going to be overexplainy and overjustified because you want to look good and wolves want to be ironclad. The biggest way I read Dann is I go "ok does this guy want to be right and is he responding to things in ways that seem natural" vs "Does this guy just want to look good and does it make sense for him to be mafia here" and I think this is case of the ladder.

[Freedom]

I feel I’m at the point where I have little or nothing to add today and am ready for a flip but gosh those wagons are small

True.
At this point, it's probably likely that either scum will decide or we'll end up with a compromise wagon of sorts.
Which only benefits scum.

[Alisae]

ali how do you think a decision in 48 hrs will be any less scum-driven in this gamestate?

I just want to hear from beeboy

[Taly]

beeboy

the townbloc has summoned you

[Alisae]

he's a busybee but I have faith in him

[Taly]

I feel I’m at the point where I have little or nothing to add today and am ready for a flip but gosh those wagons are small

True.
At this point, it's probably likely that either scum will decide or we'll end up with a compromise wagon of sorts.
Which only benefits scum.

i agree but what is actionable here?

do you think

ali

or

meuh

will flip mafia? do you think neither? what votes right now do you think could be scum-motivated?

[Freedom]

if

dann

is scum what does he gain from lolvoting me?

I'd say to seem like he's doing something?
Eh.
I didn't really like his explanation.
Felt almost like something scum does to go "look, I'm sorting people" but meh.
I could realistically be wrong in distrusting his reaction testing.

[Freedom]

I feel I’m at the point where I have little or nothing to add today and am ready for a flip but gosh those wagons are small

True.
At this point, it's probably likely that either scum will decide or we'll end up with a compromise wagon of sorts.
Which only benefits scum.

i agree but what is actionable here?

do you think

ali

or

meuh

will flip mafia? do you think neither? what votes right now do you think could be scum-motivated?

Other than Dann's vote on you and the explanation, not sure.
I'm not entirely getting why Ali wants to wait for beeboy but it's probably because they don't have any strong reads. Which might be towny since scum in their position could've just voted Meuh and claimed it was for a lim to happen.
So if I had to choose between Meuh and Ali, I'd have to go for Meuh.
At the same time, Meuh is still pretty null for me.

[Freedom]

Though, ideally I'd prefer Dann over either.

[Alisae]

I'm not entirely getting why Ali wants to wait for beeboy but it's probably because they don't have any strong reads.

you don't know who beeboy is so ya you're not going to understand it

[Alisae]

lmao im not even voting dann
VOTE: dann

[Taly]

i think

meuh

because their scumreads feel fluctuates with the attention it gets and initial pings that havent really been challenged.

meuh

if you're town, sorry for the tunnel, i really have difficulty justifiying your takes as little but informed, and your flip gives some clarity to several 1v1s this game.

i also dont like

dann's

recent posts about

ali

because i do get the impression that the push asserted is stronger than the actual read itself, but that might be a function of the gamestate rather than alignment, it is of note

[Alisae]

Meuh is a really hard player to read but I also have literally no grasp at how it is they play the game.

[Taly]

i think

ali

wanting

beeboy

is a towntell because

ali

gravitates to certain players

the fact that i townread

beeboy

and

ali

doesnt have any special orientation around another slot suggests to me that its genuine interest rather than a scum partnership.

and genuine interest in this case feels townier

or at least, hell,

alisae

just seems honest.

pedit

Meuh is a really hard player to read but I also have literally no grasp at how it is they play the game.

do you have a read though?

[Alisae]

the best way for me to read meuh at the current moment is to flip her

[Isis]

Votecount 1.11

() -

he/him

Dannflor

(1) - Alisae

he/him

Random Nurse

(1) - Bingle

He/him

Lazy Shirou

(0) -

He/him

Bingle

(0) -

Meuh

(3) - Ydrasse, implosion, Taly,

She/her

Sakura Hana

(0) -

She/her

Freedom

(0) -

he/him, they/them

Keyleth

(1) - Random Nurse

She/her

Ydrasse

(0) -
She

Alisae

(3) - Dannflor, Lazy Shirou, Meuh

Taly

(0) -

He/She

implosion

(1) - beeboy

he/him

beeboy

(2) - Dunnstral, Toriel

Not Voting

- Keyleth, Freedom, Sakura Hana, (3)

(expired on 2023-11-17 12:17:50)

[Ydrasse]

sorry i have not been in mood to play past few days will be around tomorrow while a t work

[Dannflor]

i don't know what part of me afk omgusing an afk slot is me trying to look good

[Dannflor]

i think this game is going to be very easy if dunnstral isn't scum

we heaven mandate's slot d4 and then sheep his top town reads

[Keyleth]

Okay! Oh boy, I am here, skimmed a tad, lot of pages. The thoughts aren't really coming to me. If I look at what I have for points I should be voting Alisae here because I feel like, they're very reasonable but I haven't got a lot of really fuzzy nice pings and maybe that's on me? Although I sit here, and say what does an alisae world give me and then my brain turns to soup all over again because I just don't get that answer.

Maybe I should read more not this late.

[Keyleth]

I guess the thing stopping me from voting Meuh most is meta? At least, what I can gather from what's been said about Meuh that she's always voted? I sit here and ask myself if I'm falling into those same traps and wanting to vote her. Did she ever get back to my question? I should go figure that out. I guess, I'm not really shocked about these wagons but I can't think of a wagon I would support more. I guess it's just a kudos to the playlist sort of deal.