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Post Post #4275 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:13 am

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why are dragons and imaginality more clear to you?
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Post Post #4276 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:14 am

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So what's left? T3 is just town here, and Shirou's last words before getting shot were about Imag being town

If scum were choosing who to shoot between Prism and Shirou, and Imag was the last scum, surely the shot is Prism
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Post Post #4277 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:16 am

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Firebringer voting STD early on in day 3, coupled with the fact that Firebringer left and STD did not and the multiple implications of that, essentially clear STD for me
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Post Post #4278 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:20 am

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In post 4276, jjh927 wrote: So what's left? T3 is just town here, and Shirou's last words before getting shot were about Imag being town

If scum were choosing who to shoot between Prism and Shirou, and Imag was the last scum, surely the shot is Prism
In post 4277, jjh927 wrote: Firebringer voting STD early on in day 3, coupled with the fact that Firebringer left and STD did not and the multiple implications of that, essentially clear STD for me
i really don’t know how to explain basic concepts like “kill the person who townreads you to sanctify that read forever”, sorry if it’s snippy but the way you see this game is mind boggling to me but it feels like the possibility of that has not crossed your mind once

firebringer voted a lot of people and dragons never became a big wagon compared to other ones like andres. firebringer never pushed dragons seriously compared to, like, gob. why is one vote clearing?
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Post Post #4279 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:23 am

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You know full well I'm working with probabilities and what I think scum are most likely to do here. Playing it straight makes the most sense when you consider that most people in the game have expressed absolutely no willingness to sheep dead people
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Post Post #4280 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:24 am

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Firebringer joined an early and very viable STD wagon that could easily have just gone to hammer early on in the day
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Post Post #4281 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:25 am

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In post 4279, jjh927 wrote: You know full well I'm working with probabilities and what I think scum are most likely to do here. Playing it straight makes the most sense when you consider that most people in the game have expressed absolutely no willingness to sheep dead people
the call is coming from inside the house
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Post Post #4282 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:26 am

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That being said, Firebringer did defend STD initially and then appeared to be convinced he could be scum
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Post Post #4283 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:28 am

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In post 4280, jjh927 wrote: Firebringer joined an early and very viable STD wagon that could easily have just gone to hammer early on in the day
firebringer joined an early wagon and did nothing to actually bring it to fruition, he hemmed and hawed a bit about dragons, had him in a pool, admitted he wasn’t sure and then moved to t3 while making no real attempts to sort him

the wagon didn’t get much attention, vote counts show it never eclipsed any other wagon that grew that day in terms of votes. so again, WHY does that clear dragons?
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Post Post #4284 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:28 am

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like if this was scum pushing town why not put on ANY AMOUNT of pressure beyond that? he voted but he didn’t try to do anything about it
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Post Post #4285 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:28 am

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I just think that in the STD/Firebringer scum world, STD leaves every time, they kill Prism, and Shirou sheeps me while I push Gob off a cliff as per our arrangement
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Post Post #4286 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:29 am

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his interests when it came to voting and actually trying to kill someone only happened at the end of the day imo and that was on gob
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Post Post #4287 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:32 am

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I think even smaller votes are quite noteworthy simply because they lead to high likelihoods of the game ending
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Post Post #4288 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:32 am

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In post 4258, jjh927 wrote: T3, if it's not Ydra, then who is it?
My choice after ydra would be Prism, but I'd need to read more.
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Post Post #4289 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:33 am

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okay i don’t think i’m ever going to get through to you on your thoughts on who leaves and when. it is infuriating that you choose to play this way.

i am going to ask you despite this to indulge me. i am telling you i am town, and you choose to believe it. who else is an option for wolf.
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Post Post #4290 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:34 am

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I've revoked credit so to speak when people have stepped off a wagon while it's still viable. If it's in the process of building, and has the potential to build, that is a different story entirely
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Post Post #4291 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:34 am

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In post 4288, T3 wrote:
In post 4258, jjh927 wrote: T3, if it's not Ydra, then who is it?
My choice after ydra would be Prism, but I'd need to read more.
It's not prism, so who is it
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Post Post #4292 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:34 am

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In post 4287, jjh927 wrote: I think even smaller votes are quite noteworthy simply because they lead to high likelihoods of the game ending
i think if you look at if the vote happened or not only your scope of the game will be terribly narrow.
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Post Post #4293 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:34 am

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In post 4289, Ydrasse wrote: okay i don’t think i’m ever going to get through to you on your thoughts on who leaves and when. it is infuriating that you choose to play this way.

i am going to ask you despite this to indulge me. i am telling you i am town, and you choose to believe it. who else is an option for wolf.
this was for you jjh.
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Post Post #4294 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:39 am

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In post 4289, Ydrasse wrote: okay i don’t think i’m ever going to get through to you on your thoughts on who leaves and when. it is infuriating that you choose to play this way.

i am going to ask you despite this to indulge me. i am telling you i am town, and you choose to believe it. who else is an option for wolf.
T3 or Imag are where I'd look in a hypothetical day 5 if you flipped town but neither feels right and both have been actively resistant to considering you as scum in this day phase

I'm considering STD and Gob to be cleared by Firebringer leaving, even though I did think they were independently scummy. And I've just been refusing to accept Prism could be scum. Maybe I should actually meta Prism given I've done so with everyone else in this game but I just feel like the level of effort to justify his reads has been so far above and beyond what most mafia players are capable of and actually metaing Prism would probably require me to read at least one entire game rather than just prism's iso
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Post Post #4295 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:40 am

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Man, I should have pushed Firebringer more. In retrospect he wasn't putting in any effort whatsoever compared to Booneytoonz. Whatever.
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Post Post #4296 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:41 am

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okay. can i ask you to review imaginality more, and also do the meta on prism. i would genuinely appreciate it even if you reach the same conclusions.
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Post Post #4297 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:50 am

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Okay well if I'm gonna look at 2 prism scumgames I'm gonna be reading 160 pages of games I wasn't in so that's gonna be a while
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Post Post #4298 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:52 am

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In post 4291, jjh927 wrote:
In post 4288, T3 wrote:
In post 4258, jjh927 wrote: T3, if it's not Ydra, then who is it?
My choice after ydra would be Prism, but I'd need to read more.
It's not prism, so who is it
It's Prism
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Post Post #4299 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:55 am

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i’m at work so i’ll be away for a while probably unless i’m on break
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