Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[T3]

VOTE: STD

Whatever.

[Prism]

Is that who you currently think it is based off of your reading?

[Ydrasse]

we have ~2 days left to decide, ill be around tomorrow

[Ydrasse]

unless someone has a compelling case im voting between imaginality/dragons, i think everyone else has shown a baseline of really caring what happens today

[imaginality]

I just finished reading jjh and I think jjh fits with camel and fire.

I think jjh and camel distanced fairly hard from each other early d2 but I think it was a safeish time to do so.

If you read jjh's posts considering them as scum then they quite carefully criticise Fire's arguments in a few places without scumreading Fire for them.

I don't see anything ruling it out and I do think Fire would leave before jjh. I don't think Fire leaves before T3.

It could be StD, I do think Fire is risk-taking enough to leave StD to get through D4 on wifom.

But I think I wanna go jjh here

VOTE: jjh

[imaginality]

Gob and Prism have done the "early distancing and then softening" pattern this game and now both vote me makes me wonder if they could be partners. I think if so then that points to Titus town and them wanting to redirect today's lim to another townie now the Titus wagon has started to dwindle.

Wasn't Titus your biggest scumread?

Also, do you think Camel is town? Why?

This post, knowing Camel would flip scum, could be trying to tie me to defending Camel.

VOTE: Shirou

Fire you are the number 1 reason that Shirou is out of my scumpile

This is a huge turnaround so what is up

Like, I don't definitively know which of you is defending STD because you're aligned with him but if we go through the defenses we have

Gob- who I have dedicated significant time discussing as of late

Firebringer- who made a meta argument that he would retreat more as scum and that he'd engage more, in a way I don't think holds up to scrutiny because A. STD's responses that he liked were more the result of having the same questions relentlessly asked and he is probably bitter with me regardless of his alignment, and B. He has literally retreated again after he was done defending himself.

Shirou- If I'm understanding correctly it's mainly that he thinks STD would have left the game rather than camels. He apparently scumread this slot all game but is now dragging his feet

Examples of jjh disagreeing with Fire but not being suspicious of Fire.

yes, open question to @everyone:

If either Imaginality or Andres is scum, who the hell is their partner in a way that still explains the votes?

That is a difficult question, yes

I think Firebringer is the only viable Andres partner which makes things very questionable there

Imaginality could be partnered with either you or Ydrasse. I don't think you're scum so that basically leaves Ydrasse who could be partnered with over half the game

Arguing for Andres-Fire team to distance from Fire is fine if you know Andres will flip first and is town.

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There's probably other posts I could quote to make more of a case but yeah I don't feel super motivated to effort that hard. Would rather people just read through, it doesn't take too long to see that it's a plausible team.

Reading camel and Fire isos also doesn't give any reason to think it can't be jjh.

The one main point against is was it risky to distance hard at the start of D2 which, probably a bit but if you don't then you probably end up caught D3 or D4 so if you're going to gamble on some distancing that might get one of you wagoned, D2 is the day to do it.

[imaginality]

jjh was only on the Titus lim whereas StD was on two lims which adds to the point that StD would be a considerably riskier choice to leave as the final scum on D4 if you compare Fire+StD with Fire+jjh

[imaginality]

StD is just unlikely all things considered. Does anyone have JJH, imaginality m, ydrasse scum games?

I have a hard time thinking its JJH here since his logic has been consistent and non-agenda’d.

One thing I think jjh has done well this game (if I'm right that they're scum) is pick and choose a couple of townies to defend quite hard (e.g. me and Ydrasse D2) which makes them come across as reasonable and discerning rather than bloodthirsty.

[jjh927]

I think you've kinda neglected how Firebringer went to distract me whenever I put the lens on him and I conpletely let him do it
I can certainly tell you that's one of the reasons I didn't get him

[jjh927]

By the way, almost done on meta reading

[imaginality]

I think you've kinda neglected how Firebringer went to distract me whenever I put the lens on him and I conpletely let him do it
I can certainly tell you that's one of the reasons I didn't get him

That seems like an interaction pattern that could be genuine as scum-town but could as easily be deliberately done as scum-scum.

[Ydrasse]

jjh was only on the Titus lim whereas StD was on two lims which adds to the point that StD would be a considerably riskier choice to leave as the final scum on D4 if you compare Fire+StD with Fire+jjh

what do you make of jjh’s behavior today? it seems bizarre to me to give your vote to someone if you’re scum unless you bet the person you give it to will never find you.

[Prism]

By the way, almost done on meta reading

I really hope that wasn't just mine, in which case it would definitely be a waste of time at this point.

[Prism]

Alright, I've got a bit of time and energy, let's see what I can do with rereading Dragons and jjh.

[Prism]

I'm sorry I still want to kill prism

But

maybe I'm being persuaded that their leadingness is town

This is such a wild post to me. The only scumgame Dragons saw of mine I was the town leader from start to finish.

[Prism]

i think fb is my only true town read

I really hate how much I buy this post as indicative of a town-Dragons.

[Prism]

I'm halfway through reading Dragons and I've seen all I need to. This slot is at least a 7 if not an 8. I'm still iffy timing-wise on the turnaround of his camel vote 1271 but I think camel's reaction nudges it to better.

Whoever is scum, I hate you. I'm finishing this then moving onto jjh, then T3, then gob.

[Prism]

I feel like a 10 year old who has spent forever trying to figure out a Rubik's Cube.

[Prism]

StD is just unlikely all things considered. Does anyone have JJH, imaginality m, ydrasse scum games?

I have a hard time thinking its JJH here since his logic has been consistent and non-agenda’d.

Have you updated your VCA analysis at all now that we actually have two red flips in hand?

[Prism]

I actually really don't think it's Dragons. I'm giving the slot a 9. I hate it.

[Prism]

I believe him when he says Fire wasn't on his radar, at several points that's his strongest townreads and he was most confused when Fire voted him.

If he's scum he deserves to win even if I will throw my computer out of a window.

[Ydrasse]

pain and malice and viscera

[Prism]

pain and malice and viscera

Somehow I've played worse. This game ranks pretty low on the pain index compared to the Undertale games and maybe late Warehouse-13, but at least I was more motivated in those.

[Ydrasse]

at this point anyone with a half convincing case could probably get my vote because nothing feels good or correct

[Prism]

at this point anyone with a half convincing case could probably get my vote because nothing feels good or correct

I expect it to be jjh at this point, who has played exceptionally well individually but the most likely suspects are all coming up negative. I previously reviewed gob and found that incredibly unlikely. Incidentally I've seen things rereading that really point to not-T3.

Since he's a huge fan of detective stories, to quote Sherlock Holmes, "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"

I expected it to be Dragons though, and then it wasn't, so hey. His slot's up next.

So far my preference from the slots I've reread would be imaginality->Yeetdrasse->gob->Dragons, even though gob's been awhile.