Toriel's Patience (end)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hm, they say "stale discussion" in post 839, and I think they were parroting what you were saying earlier, but I never thought the discussion was stale.

Sure I don't like their last ~4 posts or vote on Meuh.

VOTE: beeboy

Where did Mandate mention a stale discussion before 839? I like parroting as a scumtell when it is paired with a metadive to confirm that the player does not use a certain phrasing normally, but I don't think it actually happened here (also bee/I are town so I know in this case it's incorrect regardless of whether it happened or what beeboy's meta shows)

732 and 738

It has less to do with the word choice used and more about the concept, Mandate said the thread was stagnating and needed to be moved forward.

I see, I thought it could have been 732, but did not register 738 when reading backward to find it. Personally I think parroting of exact word choice is more telling. It's easy enough to read something and think "yeah I agree" and then come back to that thought on your own later as town.

[Dunnstral]

those were both quickhammers

Should I have let them claim?

[Dannflor]

dann

what made you choose the

freedom

vote ultimately?

i thought he was scum

you mean over bingle or alisae?

[Taly]

im being a bad townie this game >:

those were both quickhammers

Should I have let them claim?

probably but if i leaned into my intiial impulse D1 i couldve white-knighted him

dann

what made you choose the

freedom

vote ultimately?

i thought he was scum

you mean over bingle or alisae?

yeah

[Taly]

those were both quickhammers

Should I have let them claim?

but yuo townread them both to some degree and gave little resistance to each

[Dunnstral]

There are no roles to claim in this setup

[Dunnstral]

I feel I talked plenty about why Meuh was town to me initially. Freedom was a weaker read and I wasn't sure who was mafia so I was fine with that vote.

[Dannflor]

you're not being a bad townie taly i don't even think of you as really leading on either wagon

[Taly]

dunn

what are your final reads?

[Dannflor]

yeah

bingle's alignment is annoying

enough people hard town read alisae that that lim wasn't happening

enough people i hard town read were pushing freedom

it felt good!

[Sakura Hana]

i feel like we have at least 1-2 deepwolves and that gives me the impression scum are confident in sparing

why does it give you that impression, you think scum would've given up otherwise?

[Sakura Hana]

i also need to put

dunn

in the hotseat because those were both quickhammers

still probably doesnt chnage me from wanting to go

mercy

, but now i need to rethink a whole towncore

why does it matter if we're going mercy anyway, dunn is getting flipped regardless.

[Sakura Hana]

im also wondering why nobody has really stopped me from tunnelling slots, that's undoubtedly part of why im universally townread because that feeds a scumsided narrative

omg ive been scumsiding

Now i like this argument more actually.

[Taly]

i also need to put

dunn

in the hotseat because those were both quickhammers

still probably doesnt chnage me from wanting to go

mercy

, but now i need to rethink a whole towncore

why does it matter if we're going mercy anyway, dunn is getting flipped regardless.

make

dunn

spew so his flip is more meaningful

[Taly]

i feel like we have at least 1-2 deepwolves and that gives me the impression scum are confident in sparing

why does it give you that impression, you think scum would've given up otherwise?

im also wondering why nobody has really stopped me from tunnelling slots, that's undoubtedly part of why im universally townread because that feeds a scumsided narrative

omg ive been scumsiding

Now i like this argument more actually.

its just that, if scum dont feel worried about me getting spared, that means my PoE isnt strong

or, my towncore has at least 1 scum

[Taly]

like, if im a UTR and pressuring the scumteam, why wouldnt i get pushback for it?

[Dunnstral]

dunn

what are your final reads?

Spare: Taly, Shirou, Dannflor, ssbm_Kyouko,Ydrasse
Towny: Keyleth, implosion, Sakura Hana

And then shrug, I wouldn't spare the rest. Alisae, RCEnigma, Bingle

[Dannflor]

like, if im a UTR and pressuring the scumteam, why wouldnt i get pushback for it?

could also be a way of getting your voice out of the game quickly

I mean, realistically, I don't think scum would be trying to undermine your position just because that's a sure fire way to get pressure put on them

It's partially why I am thinking Bingle might be town here

[Sakura Hana]

like, if im a UTR and pressuring the scumteam, why wouldnt i get pushback for it?

Do you think anyone has tried? I haven't really been paying much attention.

[Taly]

if i have the spoons, im going to reread this game

dunn

has given their dead readslist, so that's good for analysis post-flip and as a reference assuming they are town like ive always believed this game

like, if im a UTR and pressuring the scumteam, why wouldnt i get pushback for it?

Do you think anyone has tried? I haven't really been paying much attention.

like, if im a UTR and pressuring the scumteam, why wouldnt i get pushback for it?

could also be a way of getting your voice out of the game quickly

I mean, realistically, I don't think scum would be trying to undermine your position just because that's a sure fire way to get pressure put on them

It's partially why I am thinking Bingle might be town here

Bingle

might be the only person tbh

And that is true, scum probably don't want me long for this game regardless of my reads.

I just figured both of my "confident scumreads" were actually correct, I haven't really pushed many other slots.

[Taly]

if

dunn

is town and we stick to the town consensus

that's

2/4

townies spared with an extra dead one

Meuh-Freedom-

Dunnstral-Taly

-???

that brings it to

6:3

where odds of sparing scum is

1/3rd

scum would NEED to be in line for both spares at that point

[Dunnstral]

if

dunn

is town and we stick to the town consensus

that's

2/4

townies spared with an extra dead one

Meuh-Freedom-

Dunnstral-Taly

-???

that brings it to

6:3

where odds of sparing scum is

1/3rd

scum would NEED to be in line for both spares at that point

Town needs to spare 4 townies to win so mafia would need 2 spares in the next 3

[Taly]

Isis, if Dunnstral is town, do they count as 1 of the 4 town spares?

[Sakura Hana]

I feel like that question is kinda pointless, if they werent then Isis wouldn't need to differentiate between dunn getting spared or eliminated.

[Alisae]

Keyleth, Lazy Shirou, Taly, Sakura Hana, Dannflor, Dunnstral

oh look
it's the same people that decided to kill meuh