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Post Post #3400 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:35 pm

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Maybe dunn becomes more obviously town later on or maybe the discussion of mercy/fight comes up later but as of page 66 and after seeing town-town lims I'm not sold and I think people should be reevaluating instead of once again rushing headfirst
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Post Post #3401 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:40 pm

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In post 3371, Taly wrote:
In post 3349, Alisae wrote:
In post 3312, Isis wrote: Keyleth, Lazy Shirou, Taly, Sakura Hana, Dannflor, Dunnstral
oh look
it's the same people that decided to kill meuh
I like this line of thought though

Freedom and Meuh Wagoners:
Taly
, Sakura,
Dunn
, Keyleth


Meuh-Only Wagoner:
implosion, Ydrasse


Freedom-Only Wagoner:
RCEnigma, Shirou, Dannflor


Off Both Wagons at Elimination:
Alisae, Bingle, ssbm_Kyouko


Everyone should succinctly give their spare order of
3.


I have thoughts I don't want to say at the moment
Like according to this there were 4 players on both wagons and one is getting yeeted before we move to D4. We can go kill route and kill all 4 of these players and we only lose if all 4 of them were town.

I think the towncore is likely infiltrated and sparing is a lost cause

HURT:
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Post Post #3402 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:41 pm

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In post 3399, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Also I dont understand why mercy is the foregone conclusion here, that seems questionable, like yall have been wrong twice and there's a rush to potentially spare scum!Dunn putting us immediately into a situation where we have to dodge scum spares for what, 4 days straight?

And nobody seems to be considering this
I was told the alternative was scummy. I think the EV favors mercy but eh.
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Post Post #3403 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:41 pm

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Still catching up but I'm afraid scum!dunn will get spared before wednesday if I dont say something now
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Post Post #3404 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:43 pm

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In post 3402, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 3399, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Also I dont understand why mercy is the foregone conclusion here, that seems questionable, like yall have been wrong twice and there's a rush to potentially spare scum!Dunn putting us immediately into a situation where we have to dodge scum spares for what, 4 days straight?

And nobody seems to be considering this
I was told the alternative was scummy. I think the EV favors mercy but eh.
At rand it probably does, at least it seemed to from implosions post, but we're now down 2 town
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Post Post #3405 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:47 pm

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In post 3401, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3371, Taly wrote:
In post 3349, Alisae wrote:
In post 3312, Isis wrote: Keyleth, Lazy Shirou, Taly, Sakura Hana, Dannflor, Dunnstral
oh look
it's the same people that decided to kill meuh
I like this line of thought though

Freedom and Meuh Wagoners:
Taly
, Sakura,
Dunn
, Keyleth


Meuh-Only Wagoner:
implosion, Ydrasse


Freedom-Only Wagoner:
RCEnigma, Shirou, Dannflor


Off Both Wagons at Elimination:
Alisae, Bingle, ssbm_Kyouko


Everyone should succinctly give their spare order of
3.


I have thoughts I don't want to say at the moment
Like according to this there were 4 players on both wagons and one is getting yeeted before we move to D4. We can go kill route and kill all 4 of these players and we only lose if all 4 of them were town.

I think the towncore is likely infiltrated and sparing is a lost cause

HURT:
I like the line of thought but some things to consider:

The odds that the entire scum team are in the town block is low.

The odds scum got Toriel and the other two solidified themselves in the town bloc is… I was gonna say lower but probably not.

If the town bloc is compromised and scum lead both lims then the difference between mercy and fight only comes down to dunns alignment because scum will still have major control over lim targets.

Would also have to consider Taly scum which I’m not thrilled about.
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Post Post #3406 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:49 pm

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Yeah that was my impression too, especially since I wasn’t really sure Dunn is even town.

But I’m in the minority for both scumreading Dunn and supporting fight.
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Post Post #3407 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:50 pm

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Either way I think I want alisae as the first spare if we are going that route and I’m putting my weight behind whatever lim alisae supports if we fight.
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Post Post #3408 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:53 pm

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I townread Dunn
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Post Post #3409 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:53 pm

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I know Taly, I know.
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Post Post #3410 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:04 pm

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I was under the impression that Mercy was a foregone conclusion at this point, but since you're asking about it i'll give my opinion on the matter.

I personally went for Mercy because implosion's EV post seemed to imply it had the highest chances of winning, and i found it unlikely we'd end up townlocking 2 scum or at least sparing them before sparing 3-4 town.

But then now i remembered that Dunn could potentially be scum, I know i townread him before, and I wonder if going after beeboy and then townlocking kyouko for the beeboy rep out is something scum!dunn would do.
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Post Post #3411 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:05 pm

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In the end i think still Dunn is town.
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Post Post #3412 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:19 pm

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Wait, oh crap
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Post Post #3413 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:22 pm

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In post 3399, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Also I dont understand why mercy is the foregone conclusion here, that seems questionable, like yall have been wrong twice and there's a rush to potentially spare scum!Dunn putting us immediately into a situation where we have to dodge scum spares for what, 4 days straight?

And nobody seems to be considering this
I just realized this, but, it didnt hit me before.
If dunn is scum, not only means we have to dodge scum spares 4 times in a row, but also there would be 3 NKs in between.
That's... about 7 townies that we need correct when we're already two down, and scum wont be doing us any favors by killing non consensus TRs either.
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Post Post #3414 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:22 pm

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I guess it's about how much i trust my read on dunn huh
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Post Post #3415 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:28 pm

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GFI Kyouko, now you've managed to make me anxious and doubting myself.
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Post Post #3416 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:31 pm

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In post 3415, Sakura Hana wrote: GDI Kyouko, now you've managed to make me anxious and doubting myself.
Fixed that for me
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Post Post #3417 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:36 pm

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Ok, I still think Dunn is town, im gonna trust myself on this.
If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but i won't learn from my mistakes otherwise if i keep second guessing myself everytime there's a little bit of paranoia.
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Post Post #3418 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:46 pm

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In post 3407, RCEnigma wrote: Either way I think I want alisae as the first spare if we are going that route and I’m putting my weight behind whatever lim alisae supports if we fight.
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Post Post #3419 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:47 pm

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Does anyone that’s like not dann shirou think I’m mafia?
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Post Post #3420 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:01 pm

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what does a spare map potentially even look like
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Post Post #3421 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:35 pm

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I'm under the impression that Taly is the consensus first spare, and that if they're not they will die at night

And after that I dunno. I trust Keyleth's read on Dannflor so you guys can spare there or kill them at night if that's what you're into.
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Post Post #3422 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:37 pm

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ssbm we didn't rush anything we've been here for 3 weeks.
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Post Post #3423 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:39 pm

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If Sakura were scum that would be a nice bit of posting on this page to appear that they were considering things. Or they're just town.
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Post Post #3424 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:44 pm

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ssbm what you're positing is that I could be mafia and mafia have infiltrated the "town core" elsewhere? In that case I have no reason to be hammering people, really.

I feel like I just sped things along, really. I saved us waiting for several days before people hammered meuh and then freedom.

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