Open 893 - 09:12 - Postgame

[ssbm_Kyouko]

mine

[Puffalicious]

I'm not like him.

[Puffalicious]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

[Thomith]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

What's scummy about what is essentially an ego post?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Elements is firm town for me, shaddowes I get the feeling is >rand scum purely through poe and I doubt the ego post is scummy but I'll look

[ssbm_Kyouko]

By itself no it's not but I remember being bothered that the promised random vote never came the next day - by the time I noticed that he was gone and there were other things to focus on though

[Thomith]

By itself no it's not but I remember being bothered that the promised random vote never came the next day - by the time I noticed that he was gone and there were other things to focus on though

Without double checking, were we not kind of out of RVS by the time he was back? At the least we were definitely into the phase of the day where we were on setup/hypoclaim discussion.

[Puffalicious]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

What's scummy about what is essentially an ego post?

Over explainy first post. "Sleep now." "Post tomorrow"

Scum feels the need to over explain, especially in a scenario where they legit gotta go. Town would just be like "sup" and leave.

[Thomith]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

What's scummy about what is essentially an ego post?

Over explainy first post. "Sleep now." "Post tomorrow"

Scum feels the need to over explain, especially in a scenario where they legit gotta go. Town would just be like "sup" and leave.

That's kind of what I assumed you meant.
Hm. I guess I could see it, but I do want to hear more from him before making a full judgement.

[Puffalicious]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

What's scummy about what is essentially an ego post?

Over explainy first post. "Sleep now." "Post tomorrow"

Scum feels the need to over explain, especially in a scenario where they legit gotta go. Town would just be like "sup" and leave.

That's kind of what I assumed you meant.
Hm. I guess I could see it, but I do want to hear more from him before making a full judgement.

That's fair. what do you think about elements/crabapple

I feel like their opening was bad enough to warrant a vote today.

[Thomith]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

What's scummy about what is essentially an ego post?

Over explainy first post. "Sleep now." "Post tomorrow"

Scum feels the need to over explain, especially in a scenario where they legit gotta go. Town would just be like "sup" and leave.

That's kind of what I assumed you meant.
Hm. I guess I could see it, but I do want to hear more from him before making a full judgement.

That's fair. what do you think about elements/crabapple

I feel like their opening was bad enough to warrant a vote today.

Up until the Gamma Meta, and subsequent Kyouko discussion, I had a slight town read on Elements, due to the attempt to push the game forward/away from everyone focusing on you for post 30.

I'm not too sure after that though. It seemed like they backed off the Gamma meta argument when questioned, and as I said before, I do just get a weird feeling that the Kyouko push happened without much reason to begin with (I understand Mizuki's reasoning for this), and the reasoning had to be extracted through questioning.
To be fair, I feel like Elements responded well to this questioning, which is what makes me feel weird about that whole situation and makes me unsure how to read it at the moment.

[Thomith]

I disagree about their opening. at best it's NAI.

[Mizuki]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

What's scummy about what is essentially an ego post?

Over explainy first post. "Sleep now." "Post tomorrow"

Scum feels the need to over explain, especially in a scenario where they legit gotta go. Town would just be like "sup" and leave.

That's kind of what I assumed you meant.
Hm. I guess I could see it, but I do want to hear more from him before making a full judgement.

That's fair. what do you think about elements/crabapple

I feel like their opening was bad enough to warrant a vote today.

Up until the Gamma Meta, and subsequent Kyouko discussion, I had a slight town read on Elements, due to the attempt to push the game forward/away from everyone focusing on you for post 30.

I'm not too sure after that though. It seemed like they backed off the Gamma meta argument when questioned, and as I said before, I do just get a weird feeling that the Kyouko push happened without much reason to begin with (I understand Mizuki's reasoning for this), and the reasoning had to be extracted through questioning.
To be fair, I feel like Elements responded well to this questioning, which is what makes me feel weird about that whole situation and makes me unsure how to read it at the moment.

I have no idea what Elements reason is for voting Kyouko with me, I voted her mostly because there was a feeling in the back of my mind that she could've been scum coasting on early townreads, so I wanted to push her on her Elements read to try and feel out if it was genuine or not, and I think it is. I do still stand by what I said about Elements 205 though.

[Puffalicious]

Okay, makes sense.

I will probably vote Shaddowez, or whoever Adorable wants. But I have a good feeling about Shaddowez.

However... limming mafia Day 1 is not always the best for Town since it makes the last mafia harder to catch since no associations. Magnified by shaddowez never posting.

So I'll need to hear what everyone, as in everyone, thinks about Shaddowez.

[Thomith]

I want to clarify I 100% understand the push, and understand the reasoning even if I don't agree with it, I just get a weird feeling about the whole discussion that I can't properly put my finger on as to why.

[shaddowez]

I'll buy you dinner if that'll change you feelings.

Still don’t have a lot of feelings about shaddowez so that vote feels stale

By itself no it's not but I remember being bothered that the promised random vote never came the next day - by the time I noticed that he was gone and there were other things to focus on though

I had thought about it when I got back to the game, but it felt like coming in with an RVS vote at the time I did wouldn't have done anything for the gamestate except show I was there.

This weekend and past few days did not go anywhere like I expected, so I've had a lot less time to dedicate to the game than I thought I would, so I'm hoping to pick back up. I've read through, and have a pretty solid TR on Thomith right now, based on his interactions. He's not letting people just put out easy statements, but actually trying to find the mindset behind them. 151 and 178 also make me think he's re-reading the game and paying attention, which IME scum don't do as frequently.

More to come, want to do some ISOs, happy to answer questions while reading.

[Mizuki]

Okay, makes sense.

I will probably vote Shaddowez, or whoever Adorable wants. But I have a good feeling about Shaddowez.

However... limming mafia Day 1 is not always the best for Town since it makes the last mafia harder to catch since no associations. Magnified by shaddowez never posting.

So I'll need to hear what everyone, as in everyone, thinks about Shaddowez.

I think that logic only really applies if Mafia get speed-lim'd. I've had that happen before where Mafia get quick-hammered very early in the day and then the last one deep-wolfs to win, but I think just as long as we do our due diligence we'll probably be fine

[shaddowez]

Bringing my kid to the doctor, will try and post from the waiting room, if not tonight :/

[Alianna]

Celebloki has requested replacement.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone else think shaddowez is scum here? just based off the first post.

Elements is being scummy too. But there is the whole alt thing so idk.

What do you think @kyouko

What's scummy about what is essentially an ego post?

Over explainy first post. "Sleep now." "Post tomorrow"

Scum feels the need to over explain, especially in a scenario where they legit gotta go. Town would just be like "sup" and leave.

I feel like I got a similar vibe from shaddowez’s first post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

By itself no it's not but I remember being bothered that the promised random vote never came the next day - by the time I noticed that he was gone and there were other things to focus on though

Without double checking, were we not kind of out of RVS by the time he was back? At the least we were definitely into the phase of the day where we were on setup/hypoclaim discussion.

I was curious about this because I just remembered him basically going on V/LA when he got back but I see now why I missed his entry at the time he came back:

55 was a response to 46. Too lazy to pedit on phone

I was on my phone at the time he came in and was tabbing between the game thread and the setup wiki while replying to what Mizuki posted right before shaddowez returned. Then in the preview I just clicked post right away and didn't read what had been posted in the preview. I might have read it soon after but probably didn't think much of it at the time because I don't remember thinking anything of it. Looks like it was an RVS comment on crab apples, an EBWOP, a small mechanical observation about JK, and then 51 I already knew was incorrect if the hypoclaim is done correctly because of being able to claim 2/4/8/10 roles - there's very little room for mafia to get any info from that kind of claim before the PRs are flipped. I think the only thing they can get is "this player, if they are investigative, might have a result on me that doesn't hard guilty me because they tracked me to someone else" - even then there's no way to know if the player was making up the tracker result until they're flipped so it's a safe strat imo. So yeah I didn't notice anything material in those posts and then he went V/LA and at some point later I reread a little and was like "hey, he never voted"

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