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Post Post #3525 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:21 am

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That looks like the scumteam already asked isis in their pt about what happens during a vote for no elimination
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Post Post #3526 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:22 am

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In post 2270, Isis wrote:
"No Elimination" is not a decision. I won't count votes for "No Elimination"
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Post Post #3527 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:27 am

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In post 2350, Keyleth wrote: Alisae, can you talk to me on Dann? Because I think Dann's posting is very clean. Like it's polished and worked on, I can tell he puts thought into his posts in a way that is hard to replicate. It makes it easy to townread cause it looks like good solving. What makes Dann a wolf? Can you point me to your posts?
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Post Post #3528 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:40 am

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i am looking into the ether and pivoting back to my original read on
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Post Post #3529 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:43 am

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hmmm
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was pulling for a
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Post Post #3530 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:46 am

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wait how did
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go from having
merlyn
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Post Post #3531 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:01 am

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In post 2132, Lazy Shirou wrote: [Taly, Beeboy, Merlyn, Sakura, Ydrasse]

I think this is all town
In post 2267, Lazy Shirou wrote:
In post 2132, Lazy Shirou wrote: [Taly, Beeboy, Merlyn, Sakura, Ydrasse]

I think this is all town
^

My Elite Five,

Ydrasse is town there because of Mandate's posts

I know some people are gonna argue for Key to be there rather than Idk, Merlyn? I think I could compromisse on that but I would rather not, Key hasn't done much for awhile here
In post 2274, Lazy Shirou wrote: Oh yeah Freedom

Your posts are kinda blegh but don't override my read on Merlyn yet

You also feel a bit more active than I remember you as scum
In post 2296, Lazy Shirou wrote: /shrug

VOTE: Meuh
In post 2306, Lazy Shirou wrote: I was expecting a PhD thesis on why Taly is definitely and utterly scum here, you've let me down Dann...

VOTE: Alisae

I voted Meuh because I was alone in the Alisae wagon given last VC. If any of them are town, I think Meuh could be more readable than Alisae in the long-term and that makes my preference be Alisae for today.
In post 2424, Lazy Shirou wrote: by limming Merlyn (Freedom) feels like you're all trolling me
In post 2426, Lazy Shirou wrote: This "Freedom is easier to read than Ali but I want to flip Freedom for info reasons" reasoning sounds like total bullshit and I like Ydrasse more for pointing it out

Your last posts does not feel like a real thought process

VOTE: Meuh
In post 2427, Lazy Shirou wrote: The reason I was voting Ali is exactly because I don't think she would ever comfortably get to "readable range" later on based on her approach here so far, and I think Freedom is close enough to that too but I've Merlyn posts to base myself on at least in D1

We don't know who we may be forced to consider sparing in late game so choosing slots you feel more comfortable reading is the way to go

Freedom flipping scum hardly tell us anything given how little interactions Merlyn/Freedom had, it's hardly an informative flip
In post 2428, Lazy Shirou wrote: on a re:read Merlyn's ISO doesn't look as good as I remembered but still not someone I would choose in D1 here
In post 2639, Lazy Shirou wrote: I don't think Ydra/Mandate is scum

I would still look in [Alisae, Implo, Ari] and maybe [Dann, Key] here

Freedom very maybe
In post 2753, Lazy Shirou wrote: Actually you know what?

Maybe I should help you push Ydra and then if she flips scum I'm gonna "shut up" and accept RC was bordering being toxic as scum intentionally rather than because he was town frustrated

But then what if Ydra flips town Ali?

Will you "SHUT UP" too?
In post 2755, Lazy Shirou wrote: VOTE: Ydrasse
In post 2756, Lazy Shirou wrote: Will you shut up if Ydra flips town?
In post 2779, Lazy Shirou wrote:
In post 2774, Taly wrote: then what's your alternative?
Prob one in [Implo, Bingle, RCE]

maybe one in [Key, Dann, Freedom]

/shrug
In post 2934, Lazy Shirou wrote: I can join the Freedom wagon if that's the consensus, sure

I'm not sure this is the slot with the highest odds of flipping scum today though, and if it flips town I believe the same people that are pushing Ydrasse as scum should likely stop

VOTE: Freedom

That's E-1 according to my counting.
In post 2966, Lazy Shirou wrote: Oh, actually you have voted implosion now

okay

VOTE: Implosion

I think Freedom could be scum though, I don't know how to read Freedom because he often provides too little content. One of the reasons I agreed to vote there despite my positive feelings towards Merlyn is that I doubt Freedom will provide me with positive feelings in the same way. A townread there will need to depend on a flimsy early read on Merlyn in D1 for the rest of the game and that feels kinda bad if they're by any chance scum.
In post 2969, Lazy Shirou wrote: Actually. This will look weird considering my above posts but I'm really starting to hate lurking or active lurking because it's such an unfun playstyle to play against given it barely feels like you get a chance to read the person so I may as well do this

VOTE: Freedom
In post 2972, Lazy Shirou wrote: I'm going to tentatively replace Freedom with Ali in my five slots to be sparred

I'm not solid on this yet though

[Ydrasse/Beeboy/Taly/Ali]

I'm also removing Sakura for a bit, I've doubts
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Post Post #3532 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:12 am

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I also still have reservations that you went from townreading
Keyleth
and changing to a towread
Sakura
from your read-through and then wanting to blitz through
Me/Sakura/Keyleth
in fight because we each voted
Meuh/Freedom
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Post Post #3533 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:54 am

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Also we are 1 heal away from sparing
Dunn
, any final words
Dunn
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Post Post #3534 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:53 pm

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In post 3531, Taly wrote:
In post 2132, Lazy Shirou wrote: [Taly, Beeboy, Merlyn, Sakura, Ydrasse]

I think this is all town
In post 2267, Lazy Shirou wrote:
In post 2132, Lazy Shirou wrote: [Taly, Beeboy, Merlyn, Sakura, Ydrasse]

I think this is all town
^

My Elite Five,

Ydrasse is town there because of Mandate's posts

I know some people are gonna argue for Key to be there rather than Idk, Merlyn? I think I could compromisse on that but I would rather not, Key hasn't done much for awhile here
In post 2274, Lazy Shirou wrote: Oh yeah Freedom

Your posts are kinda blegh but don't override my read on Merlyn yet

You also feel a bit more active than I remember you as scum
In post 2296, Lazy Shirou wrote: /shrug

VOTE: Meuh
In post 2306, Lazy Shirou wrote: I was expecting a PhD thesis on why Taly is definitely and utterly scum here, you've let me down Dann...

VOTE: Alisae

I voted Meuh because I was alone in the Alisae wagon given last VC. If any of them are town, I think Meuh could be more readable than Alisae in the long-term and that makes my preference be Alisae for today.
In post 2424, Lazy Shirou wrote: by limming Merlyn (Freedom) feels like you're all trolling me
In post 2426, Lazy Shirou wrote: This "Freedom is easier to read than Ali but I want to flip Freedom for info reasons" reasoning sounds like total bullshit and I like Ydrasse more for pointing it out

Your last posts does not feel like a real thought process

VOTE: Meuh
In post 2427, Lazy Shirou wrote: The reason I was voting Ali is exactly because I don't think she would ever comfortably get to "readable range" later on based on her approach here so far, and I think Freedom is close enough to that too but I've Merlyn posts to base myself on at least in D1

We don't know who we may be forced to consider sparing in late game so choosing slots you feel more comfortable reading is the way to go

Freedom flipping scum hardly tell us anything given how little interactions Merlyn/Freedom had, it's hardly an informative flip
In post 2428, Lazy Shirou wrote: on a re:read Merlyn's ISO doesn't look as good as I remembered but still not someone I would choose in D1 here
In post 2639, Lazy Shirou wrote: I don't think Ydra/Mandate is scum

I would still look in [Alisae, Implo, Ari] and maybe [Dann, Key] here

Freedom very maybe
In post 2753, Lazy Shirou wrote: Actually you know what?

Maybe I should help you push Ydra and then if she flips scum I'm gonna "shut up" and accept RC was bordering being toxic as scum intentionally rather than because he was town frustrated

But then what if Ydra flips town Ali?

Will you "SHUT UP" too?
In post 2755, Lazy Shirou wrote: VOTE: Ydrasse
In post 2756, Lazy Shirou wrote: Will you shut up if Ydra flips town?
In post 2779, Lazy Shirou wrote:
In post 2774, Taly wrote: then what's your alternative?
Prob one in [Implo, Bingle, RCE]

maybe one in [Key, Dann, Freedom]

/shrug
In post 2934, Lazy Shirou wrote: I can join the Freedom wagon if that's the consensus, sure

I'm not sure this is the slot with the highest odds of flipping scum today though, and if it flips town I believe the same people that are pushing Ydrasse as scum should likely stop

VOTE: Freedom

That's E-1 according to my counting.
In post 2966, Lazy Shirou wrote: Oh, actually you have voted implosion now

okay

VOTE: Implosion

I think Freedom could be scum though, I don't know how to read Freedom because he often provides too little content. One of the reasons I agreed to vote there despite my positive feelings towards Merlyn is that I doubt Freedom will provide me with positive feelings in the same way. A townread there will need to depend on a flimsy early read on Merlyn in D1 for the rest of the game and that feels kinda bad if they're by any chance scum.
In post 2969, Lazy Shirou wrote: Actually. This will look weird considering my above posts but I'm really starting to hate lurking or active lurking because it's such an unfun playstyle to play against given it barely feels like you get a chance to read the person so I may as well do this

VOTE: Freedom
In post 2972, Lazy Shirou wrote: I'm going to tentatively replace Freedom with Ali in my five slots to be sparred

I'm not solid on this yet though

[Ydrasse/Beeboy/Taly/Ali]

I'm also removing Sakura for a bit, I've doubts
what do you think of this progression
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It's an ISO I dont have the context for, idek where the meuh flip happens in that ISO. I was hard pinged by that one post where Shirou was replying to Bingle bringing up no elim. I do think that could be a legit scumslip and I probably won't ever spare Shirou because of it but if I make it to late game I'll have to reevaluate that. From the way people talk about beeboy/myself I see myself getting spared or killed with 2 day/night cycles if we go mercy so Shirou is probably not a decision I'll have to make
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Post Post #3535 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:54 pm

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When I catch up to that post I'll reply again though
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Post Post #3536 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:55 pm

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is the first D2 post in that ISO snippet

k
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Post Post #3537 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:28 pm

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In post 3533, Taly wrote: Also we are 1 heal away from sparing
Dunn
, any final words
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I don't have anything in mind
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Post Post #3538 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:40 pm

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k, im going to shit myself if you're scum

unless
kyouko
demands we wait until she finishes catching up, im okay with hammer
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Post Post #3539 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:43 pm

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I will not be hammering until we get consent from kyouko ^^
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Post Post #3540 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:54 pm

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There's no night phase so hammering heal now or when I catch up makes no difference to me. I'll still be catching up though for a day or two. Work is busier than is hoped or I think I'd be caught up tomorrow
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Post Post #3541 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:55 pm

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i need the inner horror inside my body to be resolved by knowing
dunn's
alignment via mod confirmation
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Post Post #3542 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:59 pm

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In post 3506, Bingle wrote: Probably should be 4 scum in hindsight.
Hard disagree here lol. The EV is alright, it's just imbalanced between spare/fight, and the problem isn't that spare is too easy imo. I strongly disagree that it's near autowin if Dunn is town, if that's the case we
will
have to spare correctly in either 4:3 or 3:2 in order to win the game. Meaning in principle all townies will need to agree. The issue is just that fight is too hard, and maybe also that mercy is (i suspect) more fun sounding than fight in the eyes of the average mafia player bc fight makes it just another game.
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Post Post #3543 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:59 pm

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I know that isn't game relevant but well, yada yada rabble rabble
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Post Post #3544 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:00 pm

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yeah ngl i feel like nightless punishes mountainous play but im not a mech toucan
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Post Post #3545 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:02 pm

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even if we're correct rn there's still a 4:3 elo, which requires all townies to come to something of the correct solve
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Post Post #3546 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:03 pm

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if there were 4 scum, 2 mislims would be an almost auto-loss for town
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Post Post #3547 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:05 pm

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wait, its technically not elo, but its effectively that way numerically
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Post Post #3548 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:07 pm

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also tbh, i wouldve gone
mercy
even if it were suboptimal probably

it is more fun, and

AS EVERYONE IN THIS GAME HAS SEEN

scumhunting is NOT my best quality as a stronk, paragon townie
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Post Post #3549 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:24 pm

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