Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[yessiree]

you didn't get the pun

[Gamma Emerald]

Ele claim feels real. Too much of a wild conspiracy theory otherwise.

I like this

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: Roden for what I feel might have been TMI about ATE

Walk me through this one

When you made post #332 I did not agree with you that anything Kitty said was town-indicative.

What Kitty said wasn't overly scummy or anything but it was probably one of the least town-indicative ATEs I've ever seen and I think you got a Kitty town read too easily.

If the AtE is that bad and ineffective then why do you think I jump off the wagon as scum

That seems kind of incongruent

Because from your scum pov you would know it's real

That's my point

Your point is bad if your argument is "you're scum because you're scum"

Luckily that isn't my argument!

My argument is that I think your read is fake.
Scum have an easier time reading things as genuine if they have a pov of knowing that it is genuine beforehand.

But I think you know this and are just trying to discredit my argument, maybe other people can weigh in on whether my phrasing was unclear enough that anyone thought "you're scum because you're scum" is what I was saying.

[Vanderscamp]

Y'all just gonna follow FL off of a cliff

I don't agree with him about you, but I believe he is town.

His read on you is part of why I think scum is ok with him pushing you though, or more specifically scum are really pushing Flavor as town.

i think im townleaning Roden. i take it you too?

would be nice to see an updated VC but i think we're the only leading wagons atm

so yeah i agree scum is content with the gamestate, which also explains why i feel like it's been stagnating

I still am voting Roden, but not loving my vote too much anymore.

And ya, would love a VC

I like my vote on him more after his response to me.

[Vanderscamp]

Like I have a read that Roden is scum for reading kitty's ATE as town too easily.

The gist of this read should have been super clear, even if it's wrong. I definitely think the read could be wrong! But I feel like Roden is trying way too hard to paint this as some kind of ridiculous stance on my part.

[Roden]

Your stance seems to be that that I as scum wouldn't be able to tell if town!Kitty's AtE was believable or not and just immediately hopped off the wagon in fear that people would buy it

Is that correct or not

[Roden]

Scum have an easier time reading things as genuine if they have a pov of knowing that it is genuine beforehand.

[Vanderscamp]

Your stance seems to be that that I as scum wouldn't be able to tell if town!Kitty's AtE was believable or not and just immediately hopped off the wagon in fear that people would buy it

Is that correct or not

Yep!

If Kitty is town I'm sure that scum who knew it was genuine would have had an easier time identifying it as genuine than the town who don't know, and were more likely to overestimate how towny it seemed.

[Vanderscamp]

Scum have an easier time reading things as genuine if they have a pov of knowing that it is genuine beforehand.

I mean, I don't think what I'm saying is that complicated either

[Gamma Emerald]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

[KittyTacky]

To be entirely fair I wasn't even registering it as ATE when I was typing it.

[Naerys]

Hey Roden got some read list to share with us?

[Roden]

Your stance seems to be that that I as scum wouldn't be able to tell if town!Kitty's AtE was believable or not and just immediately hopped off the wagon in fear that people would buy it

Is that correct or not

Yep!

If Kitty is town I'm sure that scum who knew it was genuine would have had an easier time identifying it as genuine than the town who don't know, and were more likely to overestimate how towny it seemed.

Ok

Now what leads you to believe that I as scum overestimated how towny Kitty was

[Roden]

Hey Roden got some read list to share with us?

Ngl Naerys, you probably won't like where you place in the reads list

[Roden]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be entirely fair I wasn't even registering it as ATE when I was typing it.

this is why i think it was townie rather than NAI.

[Doctor Drew]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

I think that's one of those things where in theory it feels like that should make sense, but in practice, a lot of townies start with a vibe or energy, and then try to explain it.

Whereas I've noticed scum pigeonhole themselves in a lot for 'needing' a reason to scum read someone to the point it looks produced/forced, where they setup a trajectory for a push rather than just straight go for it.

It's a reason I try to be impulsive as scum (while being aware of gamestate on a social level) because it comes off more natural.

[Flavor Leaf]

and i do believe that last thing there isn't natural for people as scum, and is something that needs to be trained and worked on for years to do well.

[Roden]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

I've been tunneled by townies for far worse reasons tbh. And I've been guilty of reaching conclusions and trying to fit the evidence in the past as town.

I think Van just doesn't have solid reads atm and doesn't know where to push. Which, I mean, fair. There's not a whole lot going on right now. But that's also why I think they're likely town here; in this game state, there isn't much pressure for people to find a slot to push, so scum can safely do very little right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

Nah town plays that way very often ime

[Doctor Drew]

Well fuck me sideways I guess lol.

I think I do understand the argument for TownVander a bit more though at the very least.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew you really feel like scum here lol

i wanna town read you, but not gonna lie, it really feels like it this game

[KittyTacky]

Where's yessiree? Oddly calm for e-2.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it's an act. I do sense some frantic energy behind their bing chillin posts.