Toriel's Patience (end)

[Ydrasse]

HEAL: Sakura Hana, Dannflor, Taly, Bingle, Alisae, RCEnigma, 6

Keyleth, Lazy Shirou, Ydrasse, implosion, ssbm_Kyouko

5

for me own recordkeeping

[Taly]

I have my 1 person I would request come after me but I don't want to NK bait them

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So like...
Town!Dunn:
D4 = 8:3
D5 = 6:3 (town!Taly spared D4)
From here we would need 2 town before 2 scum, so we would need a pool of 4 consensus town arranged on D4 because of N4,D5/N5,D6 win (if the pool is 100% town)

I guess I am one of that pool of 4 and would need 3 more town - maybe it's doable

if

Dann is town but I'm leaning toward planning ahead to not be in town's interest

Pedit: not reading any of these pedit posts on my phone atm

[Ydrasse]

taly please say its me pleaaaase say its me say im town say it so they kill me please

[Keyleth]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

N5,D6/N6,D7

Ebwop

[Dannflor]

taly please say its me pleaaaase say its me say im town say it so they kill me please

town

[Ydrasse]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

my jeebies are heebied

[Lazy Shirou]

currently i agree with kyouko

so what's your alternative?

Let the thread randomly compromise on someone again?

I'm not arguing for lining up spares, I'm arguing to actively limiting the choice of spares in the next days

[Keyleth]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

my jeebies are heebied

Don't worry I plan on sending you after Taly!

[Ydrasse]

currently i agree with kyouko

so what's your alternative?

Let the thread randomly compromise on someone again?

I'm not arguing for lining up spares, I'm arguing to actively limiting the choice of spares in the next days

erm i meant kyouko after taly for my list so far

[Lazy Shirou]

HEAL: Sakura Hana, Dannflor, Taly, Bingle, Alisae, RCEnigma, 6

Keyleth, Lazy Shirou, Ydrasse, implosion, ssbm_Kyouko

5

for me own recordkeeping

I was gonna vote heal for what it's worth, I just hadn't time to check the thread

I do think Dunn getting increasingly more silent as the votes piled up was scummy though

[Ydrasse]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

my jeebies are heebied

Don't worry I plan on sending you after Taly!

say it louder

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm down to talk about who not to spare regardless of Dunn's alignment which for me is RCE and Alisae, g2g for now though

[Keyleth]

I understand I am probably never going to be spared this game and I'm content with that and part of me has just wanted to, not really have a voice in this game cause my reads feel bad given I was on both of the wagons trying to show support but I also understand that's impossible.

The biggest problem is it feels like everyone here has some sort of history and trying to value my own reads over that history feels selfish?

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm down to talk about who not to spare regardless of Dunn's alignment which for me is RCE and Alisae, g2g for now though

Actually, this may be a better idea. Maybe.

[Keyleth]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

my jeebies are heebied

Don't worry I plan on sending you after Taly!

say it louder

I THINK WE SHOULD SPARE YDRASSE

[Lazy Shirou]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

How is Dann more town than Taly, Kyouko/Beeboy, Sakura or Ydrasse/Mandate? Maybe consider Alisae in that pool too if you've a townread there.

I don't feel like he did anything particularly scummy but neither he did something particularly town and the fact that he's been trying to get spared since awhile ago as far as I remember doesn't make me comfortable towards him

If Dann flipped scum I would be 0% surprised because his play so far aligns decently with a theoretical scum wincon.

I've said that I've a "guilty until proven innocent mindset", so my question is why would I consider sparing Dann over the above four/five at least as long as we've other alternatives?

[Lazy Shirou]

It's no longer a question of "Why is this person scum" in this Mercy game, it's a question of "Why is this person townier than all those other alternatives?"

I can list off the main arguments behind all the five people I mentioned being one of the towniest slots, so what's the argument for Dann?

[Keyleth]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

How is Dann more town than Taly, Kyouko/Beeboy, Sakura or Ydrasse/Mandate? Maybe consider Alisae in that pool too if you've a townread there.

I don't feel like he did anything particularly scummy but neither he did something particularly town and the fact that he's been trying to get spared since awhile ago as far as I remember doesn't make me comfortable towards him

If Dann flipped scum I would be 0% surprised because his play so far aligns decently with a theoretical scum wincon.

I've said that I've a "guilty until proven innocent mindset", so my question is why would I consider sparing Dann over the above four/five at least as long as we've other alternatives?

The best way I can explain my Dann townread is he's trying. That might sound stupid but I can see the effort in his reads and that he's trying to solve. He came out early with a lot of aggro posts and then it cooled down. I think what really clicked is his talks with Sakura, they don't seem like a pocket to me? I can openly see how the game is difficult and Dann doesn't seem to be faking it to me.

I understand Alisae has told me Dann is good at being a wolf and the whole deepwolf theory, so I'm not gonna push for him to be spared because I would feel awful to be wrong on it but, yes he wants to be spared. Why would a wolf be so open about that ya know? Feels like a wolf wouldn't try hard to be spared so openly.

If you think I'm wrong, please show me I'm open to be wrong. I am surprised you think Sakura, Beeboy, Alisae, are better in that regard.

[Keyleth]

I've said that I've a "guilty until proven innocent mindset"

I get you work that way, so can you show me why I'm silly for wanting to Spare Dann? You said he hasn't done anything really wolfy but he has the most points on my system then it's Taly and Ydra.

[Lazy Shirou]

Regardless of Dunn's alignment, we're gonna have something like a ratio of either 4v3 or 4v2 in the last day.

If scum doesn't mess up, every single townie needs to correctly vote on another townie to win.

Even if it's bad to discuss who scum theoretically should try to nightkill, you do NOT want to let people go around considering spares without writing a thesis on why they're the towniest slot alive. You want to restrict choice and make people commit to their spares as much as possible.

Chaos and disorganization is likely to help scum.

[Lazy Shirou]

I've said that I've a "guilty until proven innocent mindset"

I get you work that way, so can you show me why I'm silly for wanting to Spare Dann? You said he hasn't done anything really wolfy but he has the most points on my system then it's Taly and Ydra.

I don't think you're silly for it, you may be right and I may be wrong on my town reads.

But it seems your case is that Dann is putting effort and although I think effort can often be alignment indicative, it's not the case for scum!Dann as far as I know, he has a good scum game and I don't think any of the effort he has put in this game is beyond what scum!Dann would do.

[Lazy Shirou]

I could try to put forth the main argument for why the 5 mentioned slots may be town (Sakura having the most ambiguous one imo), but it feels like too much effort to me right now, I'm gonna take a shower and have dinner. Maybe later.

However I do think that all of them goes beyond "They seem to be putting effort in the game and their reads seems real"

I think you may be right on Dann but that does feel like a bit of a surface level reason to have them as your TOP town read. I don't understand how scum!Dann would look too differently from how he is behaving now and if he does have a counter-argument on why he would act significantly different as scum here so far, I would be interested to hear.

[Keyleth]

I guess I don't have the experience that you and others seem to have and maybe I would be thinking differently if I did but I don't. And, it isn't just effort, I get you can put in effort as a wolf you're expected to.

I just don't see Dan being fake and trying to make reads to put himself in a better spot? I read his interaction with Sakura and that looks pure to me. If you think I'm just wrong that's totally fair! Hopefully, you're just right and we win.