Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Dragon

Lol, literally just said defcon is not a good game for a meta read on anyone.

So you voting me for doing the same thing Aliana did while I was clearly responding to things from last page?

Wtf Drew.

No I am voting you because you are throwing out reads with no substance behind them.

i like this. i got some pockety vibes from dragoneater townlocking me and i don't really think the reasons for doing so are that strong

i'm willing to give gob the benefit of the doubt for now. i feel like voting him got him to do some stuff at least

VOTE: Dragon

What's the difference between a town townreading you and a scum pocket, vibes-wise?

that's a great question. i guess i like to see better reasons behind such a strong townread. i'm not sure really

Well I really don't know what to tell you because that's the genuine read I had and I explained my reasons (I did add later that I also liked your thinking process / solving, but to be fully honest that did come after the initial read).

[Doctor Drew]

I can tell you from experience that it's extremely easy to spot scum Alianna by tone, and this was her town tone

what does aliana's scum tone sound like?

I guess it's easier for me to describe it by how it doesn't sound:
It doesn't sound light hearted
it doesn't sound natural
It doesn't sound confident

Lol, when has townAliana ever sounded confident?

[DragonEater70]

I can tell you from experience that it's extremely easy to spot scum Alianna by tone, and this was her town tone

what does aliana's scum tone sound like?

I guess it's easier for me to describe it by how it doesn't sound:
It doesn't sound light hearted
it doesn't sound natural
It doesn't sound confident

Can you link me to a scum Aliana game?

Here's the one I played with her:

viewtopic.php?t=91529

Note how I lockscummed her very early.

[DragonEater70]

I can tell you from experience that it's extremely easy to spot scum Alianna by tone, and this was her town tone

what does aliana's scum tone sound like?

I guess it's easier for me to describe it by how it doesn't sound:
It doesn't sound light hearted
it doesn't sound natural
It doesn't sound confident

Lol, when has townAliana ever sounded confident?

Not confident about a read, confident about what she's posting

As in she's more cautious as scum

[DragonEater70]

I read page 1 and saw there was apparently another me and repped in for the lolz.
I'm trying to multitask right now so we'll see when I can read up properly.

What is your read on me and why am I scum?

My read on you is

serial killer

and you're scum because my trust in you is forever broken after you pocketed me in Open 882. Or maybe I pocketed myself. It's up for interpretation.

This is what I call a "confident" post.

[Aliana]

Why are you assuming that marathon Secret Hitler is a good representation of my scumgame?

[Aliana]

Like, everything you said is true of that game, but there are a few details missing here:
- I had never played marathon games or Secret Hitler before and had zero clue what I was doing
- it was a completely different experience from forum mafia in that there was no time to think
- I gave up on even trying to look town very early on

And then my other recent scumgame was on an alt where I was concealing my identity.

I'll admit, I have no clue how I'm going to pull it off when I do get a proper scumgame on a public account, but I think the few scumgames I have are not the greatest for meta purposes, especially if you're going to try to toneread me. Apart from maybe ChatGPT, but that game I played...probably a little more aggressively than I could get away with now. I don't quite remember.

[Hu Tao]

I feel disengaged, maybe since recent talk has been meta.

Who does everyone think has had the worst day so far? (Not meta related)

[Aliana]

Probably not me but I feel pretty bleh right now, too tired to make any conclusions off the recent stuff. I'm off to bed.

[DragonEater70]

Why are you assuming that marathon Secret Hitler is a good representation of my scumgame?

Because I am

Tbh I haven't read any other scum games of yours (I did read the micro but I didn't know you were ND and honestly I didn't even have an impression on ND).

[DragonEater70]

Like yes I get that it was a marathon game, but it doesn't change my perception of how town vs scum you would look like

If you think I'm wrong you can point me to evidence and I might change my mind.

[DragonEater70]

I feel disengaged, maybe since recent talk has been meta.

Who does everyone think has had the worst day so far? (Not meta related)

Wdym by worst day?

[DragonEater70]

Like yes I get that it was a marathon game, but it doesn't change my perception of how town vs scum you would look like

If you think I'm wrong you can point me to evidence and I might change my mind.

And I want to point out that I have 100% read accuracy on Alianna in all completed games we've both been in, so I don't think what I am saying is far fetched.

[Hu Tao]

I feel disengaged, maybe since recent talk has been meta.

Who does everyone think has had the worst day so far? (Not meta related)

Wdym by worst day?

Whose posting is the worst so far

[DragonEater70]

I think Drew

My read on him isn't a meta read, he's just acting very strange and pushing me for very weird reasons.

[geraintm]

Okay fiiiiiiiiiiiine, you can be scum.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

@Altaria - I see what you mean there. I've been looking through gob's completed games for a towngame but it's taken me quite a while to find one.

Man does everyone just blindly follow meta on this site?

What is a better town strategy? Looking up a players meta to understand how they play as certain alingments?

Or....

Voting players who shit post?

I will leave that on the table for discussion amongst the class

I like this post and I 110% agree with it, but somehow it makes me a little uneasy. There is no logical reason why.

Must be shading your buddy!

P-edit: Oh, why so?

Defcon was basically a meme game.

I nuked my buddy because I let Firebringer control my nuke, and almost rode that to a scum victory(Now that is some open wolfing lol)

It is so hard to get a solid read on anyone that game......was so fucking fun to play though.

See, this isnwhy naughty points are awarded for asking others on how to vote

[geraintm]

Though I have a question for you: I saw you townreading a bunch of people's posts and then putting them in null (IIRC), why is that?

And who are your actual scumreads?

Only person I did that with was Umlaut and I only gave them "approximately 1/17 of a townpoint" for a post where I felt we had similar thoughts.

The readslist was an accurate representation of my reads at the time I posted it. gob and Drew are a little sus to me now but I don't have any strong scumreads.

P-edit: there is now a lot of posts I haven't read.

Please choose other colours

[geraintm]

Not feeling sharp today. Just assume my vote is on thr longest wagon at all points

[Umlaut]

I'm not sure, my reads are coming in a bit slow this game. Altaria I'm not as sure on as I was before.

I feel like everyone in this game is hard to read for some reason

Hu can be town for now because I feel this too. (But maybe I've just forgotten how to read people)

I am not really feeling this to be honest. Gonna take it easy this game until further notice.

This feels dangerous to write for anyone who has survival as motive #1, so Gob can have a town point as well. Just one though.


DragonEater seems all over the place. Also his avatar is a dragon when he is supposed to be a dragon

eater

, so unless he's a dragon who eats other dragons something isn't right here.

VOTE: DragonEater


I have to think more about the Als.

[Umlaut]

Okay, I take back "all over the place" but I still like the vote though it's probably more about vibes than anything I can point a finger at.

[Umlaut]

Alianna's posting is good which is really disappointing because I was kind of ready to vote Galron for the inactivity earlier. I like that 188 echoes my thoughts on Gob (as she pointed out) and I like that she doesn't make that into more of a reason to townread me than it really is (because really I haven't done much this game, tbh I keep forgetting I'm playing Mafia again)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think that makes the votes like this, with 6 to eliminate that is E-2 Drew

unofficial vc

DragonEater70 (3): Doctor Drew, Altaria, umlaut
Altaria (2): Hu Tao, geraintm
Doctor Drew (4): gob, Aliana, DragonEater70,ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1): Celebloki

[Altaria]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

why

[geraintm]

VOTE: dragon eater