open 894: near vanilla (game over)

[JupiterXV]

While you're claiming your initial post was RVS, in that same post you voted T3 you also asked him about his SR, which to me felt as if you were looking to make a case from the get go. Your responses to T3 in 70 were very nonchalant, and felt as if you didn't really care about his answers.

no... why in the world would i start a serious wagon on page one... it was literally an RVS vote, i knew him from somewhere else before. this is actually wild
i talk nonchalant? i've been described as overly casual, overzealous, hyperbolic, etc. all the reasons people are townreading me AND scumreading me for just come down to my personality and how i present myself

[JupiterXV]

i think kurtapika could either be LHF town or scum but honestly i havent actually read 335 cause idont have the patience. but i will now

kurtapika's 335 is good

is it too late to say I didn't actually read Kurtapika's post lmfao
sorry gang I'm a liar I read the first two paragraphs and promptly dipped2

[Black]

Speaking of appeasing. Jupiter feels that way these last several posts. Are you scumreading that too Dann?

[JupiterXV]

hence why my response to you was absolute dogshit because i had no idea what i was talking about

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: kurtapika

Also, I was going to make a joke about our lovely cohesive VC but dann beat me

[shaddowez]

all the reasons people are townreading me AND scumreading me for just come down to my personality and how i present myself

In a text game that's based on reading into how and what is said? Absolutely

[JupiterXV]

Speaking of appeasing. Jupiter feels that way these last several posts. Are you scumreading that too Dann?

i am not appeasing anyone

[JupiterXV]

all the reasons people are townreading me AND scumreading me for just come down to my personality and how i present myself

In a text game that's based on reading into how and what is said? Absolutely

yes, but i do this shit as scum also so it means nothing

[JupiterXV]

actually i wouldn't write walls as scum but yeah generally i would do all of this as scum

[Dannflor]

i am still wondering why you can't quickly recap your scum reads rather than vaguely saying you talked about them yesterday

[JupiterXV]

i am still wondering why you can't quickly recap your scum reads rather than vaguely saying you talked about them yesterday

you weren't asking me to...?

[JupiterXV]

i can do them now

[Dannflor]

jupiter where are your scum reads at

ig can you resummarize them, jupiter?

[shaddowez]

Had less time than I hoped today - ISO's and reads list tomorrow.

[JupiterXV]

ig can you resummarize them, jupiter?

oops you did say that. my bad

[Black]

I assumed to glean my reaction to it, to be blunt. More specifically, the reason it gave me the impression from town from you as opposed to scum was that you hadn't provided your reason upfront, and I doubt that scum calculating their actions would make the obviously contradicting move of switching to my wagon like that while giving a tentative sounding excuse, when it could easily be pointed at later as potential sheeping. It feels like there was a towny thought process behind it, like as if you reread my posts and felt something from them that made you change your mind, but hadn't been able to put into words yet. So essentially you were placing your vote on me to try and sense out further what could be causing that vibe.

He was right about this but I guess that doesn't mean he's town for it. I hadn't really thought about him trying to appease people but now I can't unsee it. I don't think this behavior is inherently scummy though

my problem with this is that it's like pretty obviously the answer you are looking for from him *and* I think he goes a bit overboard with explaining it

I guess I haven't seen enough from kurta to know for sure whether this is just his personality or not, but I think his response to you could've been like 1-2 sentences and I'm left wondering why he feels the need to justify his reaction/town read on you so heavily, if not for optics

He is verbose in a lot of what he's saying so it seems consistent at least, still no way to tell if it's personality or not. I don't understand why you don't think townies can be worried about their optics? If he's town and he notices a wagon forming on him I think it's normal to want to seem townie in his responses

[Black]

Speaking of appeasing. Jupiter feels that way these last several posts. Are you scumreading that too Dann?

i am not appeasing anyone

You seem to be intimidated by Dann or something and it feels like you're trying to appease him by putting your vote where he thinks you should have it. I don't think this makes you scum but I want to hear Dann's opinion on it

[Aisa]

344

I guess it felt like it came out of nowhere: even in this post it feels noncommittal - it's someone else's case, but it's fine, but also you are commited to standing behind it...

I just remember you taking more stances than this.

It being someone else's case initially has no bearing on how committed I am to the vote.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "noncommittal". If you're worried that I'm being noncommittal strategically - because then it's easier for me to justify changing my mind, or justify voting whoever I want - I'm trying to reassure you that this is not the case by offering to do extra work. For example, if you suggest a slot you would like me to vote instead of T3, and I agree, surely this should help. If instead I refuse and decide to stay on T3, surely this should at least count as me taking a hard stance.

If your point is more of a generic point about my meta, and you just generally think that I'm being unusually hedgey, that's fine but it sounds like there's nothing I can say to change your mind beyond developing some reads.

I don't like sr-ing you for something that feels like a state of mind I could/have easily been in day one, but :s

That's ok! I don't mind you scumreading me, just don't completely understand why you're doing so at the moment

[Black]

They give me super mixed vibes? Their beginning posts were quite bad, I agreed with some of the middle, specifically about aisa, and then the lurker vote was horrible.

VOTE: kurtapika

Also, I was going to make a joke about our lovely cohesive VC but dann beat me

I don't like this. Why not vote for me here over someone you have mixed feelings over?

[Black]

I think the lurker vote is being blown way out of proportion and it feels like you're using that as the basis of your vote which doesn't feel real to me

[JupiterXV]

hey sorry i'm back, had to go. i have another person i'm quietly suspecting but i don't want to talk about it yet since i'm not completely sure on it

titus' moved back to null. as i said: i'd reevaluate

shaddow's push on me is still incredibly weird. maybe i'm biased but i think my vote on t3 was pretty obviously a RVS vote and no one at all at the time was voting t3 seriously? it's not like opportunism or whatever, ive never actually scumread t3 (because as I said, t3's been hovering around null range for a while and going up and down) and i've made this pretty abundantly clear. not quite sure how to read them doubling down on this (because i'm pretty sure scum would pursue an easier vote? me personally i would go for path of least resistance as scum and iirc i'm commonly townread)

NEW:

aisa's dropped down in my readlist, a bit more close to scumlean. i initially townread them due to vibes and contribution but i've seen a lot of IIoA. the early posts were good but they've just been dropping in substance. their posts seem more homogenous than they used to be, more like they're just sort of just hanging around. like i said with shadow i think i'd expect scum to take the path of least resistance and that's kind of what aisa seems to be doing. also where the scumreads at... there's only T3. i think there's kind of the same issue i had with titus here except it's a bit worse because aisa is

more

active and

more

present than titus and now they're just defending themself from bella

[JupiterXV]

Speaking of appeasing. Jupiter feels that way these last several posts. Are you scumreading that too Dann?

i am not appeasing anyone

You seem to be intimidated by Dann or something and it feels like you're trying to appease him by putting your vote where he thinks you should have it. I don't think this makes you scum but I want to hear Dann's opinion on it

i am intimidated by dannflor but i voted sky because it had not crossed my mind in the slightest that that was a thing i should do instead of unvoting

[JupiterXV]

but i voted sky because it had not crossed my mind in the slightest that that was a thing i should do instead of unvoting

this makes no sense

[Dannflor]

He is verbose in a lot of what he's saying so it seems consistent at least, still no way to tell if it's personality or not. I don't understand why you don't think townies can be worried about their optics? If he's town and he notices a wagon forming on him I think it's normal to want to seem townie in his responses

so, a lot of mafia (read: scum) player's first priority is to look town. This makes sense since their win condition depends on surviving until the end of the game and looking more town (or less scummy) than enough other people is the most straightforward way to do this.

town's first priority is to find and kill scum. town are not necessarily as prone to worry about surviving because they can win posthumously as long as the scum are found and deaded.

obviously this is a massive oversimplification and townies do obviously want to look town as well (and there are other complications as well)

BUT town's first priority is generally not to look town, it's to find scum. my general feeling is that kurta's posts were more designed to prioritize the former which i view as more likely to come from scum.

[Bellaphant]

They give me super mixed vibes? Their beginning posts were quite bad, I agreed with some of the middle, specifically about aisa, and then the lurker vote was horrible.

VOTE: kurtapika

Also, I was going to make a joke about our lovely cohesive VC but dann beat me

I don't like this. Why not vote for me here over someone you have mixed feelings over?

The answer is literally in what you quoted? Y