Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[Roden]

Ok but like...if scum had a Delayed Kill, why do that now? Final six players would be ELO and town wouldn't know it. Launch the Delayed Kill the night before the mis-elim on 6, then target Celeb with an Invention to kill him and factional kill whoever else for three kills and end game the final townie.

[Roden]

Though idk why town would Vig shot Gamma or Kitty. I could see town treestumping Gamma.

[Roden]

I have to assume town would claim if any of what happened last night came from them

[Flavor Leaf]

it's probably a scum role + factional ability then, and they just used multiple actions?

[Flavor Leaf]

I have to assume town would claim if any of what happened last night came from them

[Flavor Leaf]

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

RN didnt even confirm his role. This looks more like bad IRL stuff than rolling as scum. Flavor, this was a BAD post from you.

Also

*sticks tongue out*

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I think their interactions with Yess are SS, I think they tried really hard to get people off of Yessiree, and when they talked to me about my town reading Elements, after Elements flip, it looks like they know I’m wrong on Elements, and doing a distancing technique.

In addition, I think their claim set Roden up to go down and have them be not confirmed scum. It also looks like Day 3 was supposed to be super quick, and they could have gotten that triple night kill thereafter.

The way they tried to turn Gamma onto me also felt scummy.

They didn’t stop defending Yessiree until they had to turn and bus either it looks like.

[ActionDan]

If Drew is scum you and looker are the only power roles and I'm not sure I believe that based on quality of the roles. Busbdriver in this scenario is feast or famine. Scum are much stronger than mountainous.

[Doctor Drew]

I have already explained why I targeted Gamma and Roden. Flavor, why would I set up Roden? They had a lot of heat after the Yess lim, wouldn't I let them stew in the heat that they had while I set up someone else? I targeted them because I didn't want the day to be about if Roden is town or scum, I wanted definitive proof of one of the other, which I thought I had gotten.

Also, I have seen Yess as scum once before this game and town a few times. Their scum game was much different tonally speaking imo to what I was seeing here, so ya I was hard town reading them until I saw that their claim really didn't make sense. Also, I 100% would not hard town read a buddy like that, that isn't how I play as scum. If anything I would err on the opposite side and try to make it difficult to make an associative with us. You are over complicating things here, I don't protect my buddies that hardcore, especially in this scenario where we are all still alive, full stop.

Also, saying I have pushed you as scum or tried to get Gamma to push you us just objectively incorrect. You keep saying this even after I keep saying I think you are town. Which is boggling my mind because it is like you have decided I am scum and are trying to keep pushing false narratives and flat out lies to make sure others agree with you.

But like I said, I still think you are town, make this make sense to me!

[Doctor Drew]

Also, speaking of Elements, I literally said they were using you to push mis lims.

I wish I pushed that harder in retrospec

[Looker]

I don't think I agree with that. I'd go Naerys over Drew.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think I agree with that. I'd go Naerys over Drew.

I will admit to not having having many solid reads besides Flavor for town.

I will never fully believe Roden until I am proven wrong(which I was thinking about about I made my above post, still not buying but there really isn't anyway of proving it besides flipping him, which I don't think any others are in agreement with.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum weren’t using me to push Mislims

I was on Yessiree the whole day basically besides Kitty.

They were trying to survive

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be Roden, could be Naerys.

Was trying to test gamestate with Drew vote while thinking it can be Drew

[Doctor Drew]

Scum weren’t using me to push Mislims

I was on Yessiree the whole day basically besides Kitty.

They were trying to survive

Well I didn't say they were successful lol.

[Vanderscamp]

Ok!

[Roden]

Ok!

?

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Naerys

[Vanderscamp]

Ok!

?

Finally getting fully caught up

[Vanderscamp]

I think Roden/Looker have claims that make them almost mechanical policy kills imo

It's possible that either of them played the way they did as town, but Roden waiting until a hit was called on them and Looker waiting a full day to claim a relevant bus drive are both very very convenient claims for scum.

I also agree that Drew's action targets are weird and I think he's the least likely town of the three of them on tone.


I also agree that the D2 voting with Elements bussing yes the entire day is pretty indicative that either the counterwagon Roden was scum, or one of his voters was.

[Vanderscamp]

My vote today is probably VOTE: Roden

This is partially still tunneling from two days ago, but I think Roden has sounded fairly towny since that point.
But I am basically not going to let someone who claims what Roden claimed after a hit and not before survive until the end of the game.
Why not just claim that ability earlier instead of softing it?
It's possible you explained it but if you did I don't remember.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew’s 1208 is poor, but end of the day, I feel like I trust Roden and Drew are both town.

And then I just kinda also think Looker is town.

Leaves Naerys for me.

I think they chainsawed me when I was pushing Yessiree with a deep shade.

They helped push the Roden/Drew TvS narrative.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden on Day 2 did hint at having something that could get results on them even if they normally couldn’t, so i kinda believe it.

If they were scum, they were already ready to claim that role.

Their defense of Yessiree almost feels too much for me to think it’s scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Roden on Day 2 did hint at having something that could get results on them even if they normally couldn’t, so i kinda believe it.

If they were scum, they were already ready to claim that role.

Their defense of Yessiree almost feels too much for me to think it’s scum.

That's kinda where I am at with Roden.

And my 1208 was spiced with frustration since I didn't know how to explain my actions and reads more clearly.

I will go with you here

VOTE: Naerys

[Vanderscamp]

Roden on Day 2 did hint at having something that could get results on them even if they normally couldn’t, so i kinda believe it.

If they were scum, they were already ready to claim that role.

Their defense of Yessiree almost feels too much for me to think it’s scum.

Why hint that and not just claim it though?


I lean towards agreeing with you on Roden's yessiree defence.
The caveat to that is that I think Roden of either alignment thought that he was right about the mechanical stuff that he was arguing about, either because he knew he was or because he and yes actually checked with the mod that it would work that way. So I can see that as genuine frustration of a scum partner being caught for the wrong reasons.