Mini 2320: Smuggler's Port II [Endgame]

[HighPrincessErinys]

This ISO, woof.

VOTE: atsi

[HighPrincessErinys]

BTW why is it called a Tomboy Daughter? What has that got to do with shipping and smuggling?

It's the PA's Tomboy Daughter who is presumably also a merchant at the port.

[FakeGod]

@Mod:

I assume people have to send a shipment, and the someone not sending in an action (afk) results in prods or something?

Yes. Prods and replacements if needed.

[Claptastik]

This ISO, woof.

Agreed, but to tell the truth, I don't think yours is much better.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This ISO, woof.

Agreed, but to tell the truth, I don't think yours is much better.

There's a pretty noticeable difference in our ISOs in that this one isn't posting things that are meaningless or worse.

[Claptastik]

There's a pretty noticeable difference in our ISOs in that this one isn't posting things that are meaningless or worse.

You have a vague anti-town charge that you don't follow up on, then a few one-liners on setup spec. IMO it's not a great read.

[Hu Tao]

Alive

1. Hu Tao
   
2. Roden
   
3. Dunnstral
   
4. atsi
   
5. HighPrincessErinys
   
6. SirCakez
   
7. Claptastik
   
8. Celebloki
   
9. ssbm_Kyouko
   
10. Gamma Emerald

So here's our list of 10 above. After someone dies, take me for example, re-number the list as though the dead player is gone and split the shipments as follows:

Alive after D1 elimination

1. Hu Tao
   
   
2. Roden
   
   
3. Dunnstral
   
   
4. atsi
   
   
5. HighPrincessErinys
   
   
6. SirCakez
   
   
7. Claptastik
   
   
8. Celebloki
   
   
9. Gamma Emerald

Ships Linen

Ships Copper

Ships Wheat

This is fine. I think we just renumber after we decide who to remove today.

[Hu Tao]

No elimination is a bad move, I feel. Smugglers win if both are alive on day 3.

Agreed

[Hu Tao]

This ISO, woof.

VOTE: atsi

This ISO, woof.

Agreed, but to tell the truth, I don't think yours is much better.

I was going to say something similar so I like this from clap

[HighPrincessErinys]

There's a pretty noticeable difference in our ISOs in that this one isn't posting things that are meaningless or worse.

You have a vague anti-town charge that you don't follow up on, then a few one-liners on setup spec. IMO it's not a great read.

SirCakez going "uhhh i dont understand *votes kyouko*" is glaringly obviously anti-town when she's literally in the process of basically solving the game for us. If that's "vague" to you... jeez.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think this might be close enough, admittedly I joined the atsi wagon to get some reactions. If we let discussion carry on much longer it will be hard to get more info without revealing too much about possible TD-PA pairs. In saying this I reveal my hand (I'm a Merchant), but I think we kill me and make this the 3x3 - if any of these trios contains the pair of TD and PA I would prefer the investigation order to go from the TOP DOWN (L>C>W), but that will be up to the PA in the end. Obviously if I've separated the TD and PA here then the third shipment would be inspected.

Linen: HPE, atsi, Clap
Copper: Gamma, Cakes, Celebloki
Wheat: Roden, Dunn, Hu Tao


I think if we try to carry on for too long it might become apparent who could be partnered, whereas right now it seems like there are a few apparent non-pairs, and the non-pairs are useful for forming trios.

ALSO IMPORTANT: If tea is found on the shipment the morning of D2, we are guaranteed to eliminate scum using scenario 2b. We can disadvantage scum by stopping any chance they have at earning a NK if we are fast enough by speed-limming on D2. Scum have to submit their guess before EOD to get the nightkill and I think in fairness that means if an elimination is reached by majority, even if scum guesses in twilight before the flip is posted, scum would not be able to earn a NK.

The first player to join the thread on the morning of D2 should do the following: Vote one of the shipment members, and designate who should be shipping what on N2. For example, if Copper flips with tea, and Roden gets to the thread first on D2, he should, in his first post, do something like vote Gamma, leash Cakes to shipping Copper, and leash Celebloki to shipping Linen, and tell everyone else to ship Wheat. This should then be taken as law and all players should thereafter speedlim Gamma before scum have a chance to guess who the PA is. There is no way for scum to get into the thread first and abuse this - even if they tell us to speedlim town, because the scum will be caught on D3 anyways and the town player that they tell us to speedlim is guaranteed to not be either the PA or the TD, which means scum doesn't improve their chances of guessing the TD. Obviously if scum gets to thread first they'll have time to guess the PA, but if we are quick we can avoid giving them much time to consider.

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Claptastik]

SirCakez going "uhhh i dont understand *votes kyouko*" is glaringly obviously anti-town when she's literally in the process of basically solving the game for us. If that's "vague" to you... jeez.

As it's his first post and he ends it with "lmao," it looks to me like an RVS vote.

[Claptastik]

I joined the atsi wagon to get some reactions

And what did you learn?

[Gamma Emerald]

This ISO, woof.

Agreed, but to tell the truth, I don't think yours is much better.

What problem are you seeing?

[Claptastik]

What problem are you seeing?

I explained two posts later, you've probably read it by now so I won't repeat it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I joined the atsi wagon to get some reactions

And what did you learn?

That the 3x3 should be this:
Linen: HPE, atsi, Clap
Copper: Gamma, Cakes, Celebloki
Wheat: Roden, Dunn, Hu Tao

[Claptastik]

I meant regarding atsi specifically, but OK.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh, I wasn't trying to learn anything about anyone specific, I was trying to use my towncred to see what would happen if I put an RVS-looking vote out on someone that already had some votes. atsi looked like the easiest person to get discussion around since their (pronouns not listed?) wagon already had some serious votes at the time

[HighPrincessErinys]

Methinks putting atsi in the dirt (the water?) and letting Kyouko take their place in the 3x3 is better because Kyouko Gets Shit Done.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Specifically I was looking for a few more anti-partnery vibes, and I'm talking about anti-TD/PA-partnery vibes, not anti-scumbuddy vibes. I've designed my pairings around those vibes and I can't get anymore specific than that, nor should we try to get any more specific now that I've volunteered to be D1ed

pedit: mechanically I've shot my shot and if we don't flip tea there are better scumhunters in the lobby than me

[Claptastik]

Methinks putting atsi in the dirt (the water?) and letting Kyouko take their place in the 3x3 is better because Kyouko Gets Shit Done.

Top of my head I kinda like this.

[atsi]

Oh, I wasn't trying to learn anything about anyone specific, I was trying to use my towncred to see what would happen if I put an RVS-looking vote out on someone that already had some votes. atsi looked like the easiest person to get discussion around since their (pronouns not listed?) wagon already had some serious votes at the time

My wagon had serious votes? Huh, I must have missed those..

Any pronoun is fine btw

[atsi]

UNVOTE:

[Claptastik]

pedit: mechanically I've shot my shot and if we don't flip tea there are better scumhunters in the lobby than me

Thing is that I presume you're widely town read at this point, so if your group is investigated and shows tea, that reduces the smuggler pool to 2 instead of 3.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll also say that if I did pair the town PRs together, PA should consider this when investigating: The 2 shipments that are not investigated become scum's POE to find you in. Dunnstral is probably the most enigmatic player in the lobby imo which is why his pool is at the bottom of the paired investigation priority. I think if he is town then it will be hard to tell if he is vanilla or PR, which means not investigating him makes it harder for you to get found by extension.

If your opinion on who is an enigma differs, maybe you switch it up and leave them uninvestigated instead