Toriel's Patience (end)

[Ydrasse]

yippee

[Ydrasse]

tl;dr me please i have not followed this game

[Ydrasse]

hi taly!!

[Ydrasse]

okay everyone line up on the cliff trust me please i will keep us safe just trust me

[Ydrasse]

using my page one intuition that is never wrong meuh is scum

[Ydrasse]

i have done played mafia for 4 years for no reason other than the chance to play with mandate one more time

alas

welcome ydrasse! your slot claimed VT is that true?

Talk to my lawyer.

[Ydrasse]

hi * is the size of a pea *

[Ydrasse]

using my page one intuition that is never wrong meuh is scum

is that a

divine mandate

though, dear Divine Ydrasse?

Yes. >:)

[Ydrasse]

i’ve read the first 10 or so pages
i think that keyleth, brown eyes and dannflor are towny. maybe sakura hana
i don’t like meuh that much, not getting a lot from shirou or ari either
(i’m not elaborating my thoughts because i don’t wanna waste too much time bogged down in old stuff but if something is relevant lmk)

[Ydrasse]

taly is getting better ish
dann maybe trending down
don’t like implosion so far
(10->20)

[Ydrasse]

also beeboy town (?)

[Ydrasse]

ok read through 30 but i absorbed little from it so i’ll have to redo that later
i think im leaning towards spare

[Ydrasse]

yeah not a lot of the reasoning stuck with me tho

[Ydrasse]

i think the meuh wagon rn is good

[Ydrasse]

rn’s intro to the game felt kinda towny too but i didn’t get anything of worth from what i saw of merlyns posts

[Ydrasse]

i confused my slots don’t look at the last post

[Ydrasse]

actually i think freedoms intro is curious in a wolfy way because he arrives and asserts dunn as town alongside implo but then the focus is on implo and meuh. i can think of one reason why it wouldn’t be wolfy but @freedom why is dunn town? and why is my slot wolf?

[Ydrasse]

yeah i can see alisae as wolf i think

i think that it’s a bizarre choice to make one post that explains your scumread in what i think is a tepid manner (“over explainy, technically fine but”) and then follow it up immediately with “but they were screaming wolf at me earlier” without that proof provided when it would be a more compelling case

[Ydrasse]

i don’t get screaming wolf from that

[Ydrasse]

i don’t really know what i would initiate on atm without more context of the game

[Ydrasse]

i’m reading back and i’m mostly aligning with mandate’s reads as i run into them and it’s a nice feeling

[Ydrasse]

aaaaare they
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=52&t=90403&user_select%5B%5D=33613
they kind of got immediately bodied on this rep in

[Ydrasse]

right now i’m meh about freedom, in between being bullish to being unvoted i made two posts. i’m not sure if it’s a real progression but i’m willing to give freedom a bit of time to figure out who they actually do suspect enough to vote

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: meuh
i’m okay with wagons between meuh and alisae right now

[Ydrasse]

my poe is lazy shirou, meuh, freedom, alisae
i’ve floated some other possibilities on my reread but i wanna keep those closer to home for now

[Ydrasse]

i think bingle has been fine on rep in as well. i’m rescinding my read on rn because it’s bland on retrospect (i think i’m biased myself a bit by reading mandate’s aristuff which is a lot meatier than my thoughts rn) and the two references to being town are a little ?

[Ydrasse]

Also it's interesting to note how much my weak early game where I was just meming seems to influence people considering me even now that I'm substantially townier in my own judgement, once a consensus is achieved on something, it takes significant amount of effort to overtune it.

It's a phenomenon I had noticed before but never personally experienced as town

when do you think that you became townier? i didn’t get a good hold on you when i was catching up and it felt strange because from past experience you’re usually a… i don’t know if easy read is a good word honestly but i get more of a sense that you care about what’s happening?

[Ydrasse]

i have been playing the tft pbe and it is very fun so i will post tomorrow
feel some kind of way about how sluggish the game is atm i will try to verbalize

[Ydrasse]

sorry i have not been in mood to play past few days will be around tomorrow while a t work

[Ydrasse]

I’ve been thinking about it and I think here more than in a regular game, we want more informative flips than just killing meh slots. Meh slots can just not be spared.

is freedom not a meh slot to you?

[Ydrasse]

can you try to distinguish why
i value feeling based reads like that and im inclined to agree but i think it’s… worthwhile to try and translate that into in game posts or reasons

[Ydrasse]

I think having two people in the slot helps with distinguishing associatives

how so?

Freedom and Merlyn both feel rougher around the edges in a way that would always make me question their alignment, but that I think could be more informative on a flip than Alisae’s posting that I just find less evocative

I also think RH9 (I know it’s an alt but some amount of meta can still be applied) and Merlyn are easier for me to read than Alisae

if they’re easier to read, why would you want to flip them first when you’re currently at most meh on them?
i ask because meh is a mild, imo, take on someone’s alignment and trying to flip them based off of that and this reasoning is confusing to me

[Ydrasse]

and what do you think their flip informs us of?

[Ydrasse]

okay so can you actually quote and explain like i’m five freedoms posts that you dislike you’ve referenced them already in your iso but it seemed like you were just gently pressing there, but then you’re saying that you thought merlyns posting was rough around the edges while saying you thought she was town while she was here and using her read on you to prop up your slot a bit

and now it feels like you’re trying to vote freedom without there really being a good reasoning behind it? i understand everyone’s struggling for scumreads but the justification for this vote is wrapped up in stuff that i feel isn’t really relevant.

[Ydrasse]

like maybe what i’m trying to say is that you’re over explaining and i think it makes more sense to shear away a lot of it to focus more on alignments. maybe i don’t like this being boiled down into, fmpov, an info flip when i disagree we get much of what you’re saying we do from said flip. idk it just doesn’t feel real to me.

and i think it’s more bizarre to me because you’ve proven this game you can do a close reading of someone’s posts and make a coherent case but the last posts in your iso are way more… theoretical.

[Ydrasse]

why didn’t meuh respond to the freedom stuff and go back to the implo well

[Ydrasse]

[quote=Meuh post_id=13988673 post_num=2488 time=1700055204 user_id=35371]
[quote=Ydrasse post_id=13988670 post_num=2485 time=1700054974 user_id=34307]
why didn’t meuh respond to the freedom stuff and go back to the implo well
[/quote]
It’s easier
[/quote]

okay well don’t ignore it even if it’s harder

[Ydrasse]

yikes

[Ydrasse]

troubled
i’m having a hard time discerning scum, i think meuh could be because her arguments lately haven’t been it for me but i don’t feel like there’s a lot to solve freedom off of. i think atp either of those two wagons are the best option but… meh. low confidence on alisae town rn.

[Ydrasse]

like i dislike on an illogical level killing someone who is trying or posting because i then have to wonder if i’m not getting something about the game

[Ydrasse]

i don’t see what you see in sakura from that post you made

[Ydrasse]

idk if you’re town i’m really struggling i guess to find you. like even nitpicky things are jumping out to me (saying freedom was unfortunately townie) and nothing else feels worth switching to wagon for me

[Ydrasse]

yeah the point was more about the message

[Ydrasse]

kind of just want to vote random ari slot atp my brain is goop

[Ydrasse]

ydra

how do you feel about

aliase

vote on you?

i don’t care about it lol
it’s a luxury to be able to say that

[Ydrasse]

quick skim on sakura doesn’t really give me scum
like her not being as active at the end of day is maybe Bad but i believe the reasons she’s given and i think that if she was wolf she would exert her influence more than she has here, unless the entire town is just being horribly wrong at every turn

i might check this against the game where she swept up the game but from memory (lol) she feels more open here about her confusion and sheeping

[Ydrasse]

kind of just want to vote random ari slot atp my brain is goop

[Ydrasse]

i’m really annoyed with that hammer honestly

[Ydrasse]

i don’t think it was necessary yet
at least for me when i was still talking to meuh

idk like am i paranoid for seeing that on the same page where i’m considering a vote change and thinking it’s not good?

[Ydrasse]

yes but it is the difference between spare and fight >.>

[Ydrasse]

i don’t know if i would be comfortable with no room for error versus fight especially if scum gets to narrow the pool more
like especially after being wrong about someone already?

[Ydrasse]

well i am more uncomfortable with dunn now
i need to review the wagon but that’s a home task

[Ydrasse]

i also need to look at keyleth closer as well, a lot of that read is tonal and excitement but it’s fakeable i think and iirc key voted closer to where i expect wolves to

[Ydrasse]

don’t get pocketed this time rce >.>

[Ydrasse]

Beep boop

alisae

has spoken

VOTE: Ydrasse

HW for Ydrasse because they don't have Meuh to feel unafraid of votes now

1. What else did you want from

Meuh

talk?
2. If you had reservations on

Meuh

elimitation period, why prevented you from unvoting?
3. Who do you think

Dunn

partner is if you're considering that that slot is scum?
4.

Key

opened D2 with minimal concrete reads except for on you - specifically to spare you, how do you process that?
5. Give me a take on

Shirou

and two scoops of vanilla ice cream please.

what a bizarre way to phrase this. use she pronouns for me please.

1) we were talking about reads, the sakura thing was something that i valued because i worked through the slot more than i had previously, even if i wasn't agreeing w meuh
2) because i wasnt sure and my suggested option was an empty slot, alongside being slow to vote. i also don't really expect the doublevoter to go like "lol nah" and shut it down like that when we are waiting. for another person to show up.
3) no clue atm, i think my basis is clearly off for how i was viewing this game and i want to dive back in now that the game is a bit more lively. it sucks when its quiet
4) idk, ive already said i want to look at key closer because the reasons i had for her being town were tonal more than they were content related + i think it is a very easy read to make if youre going off of the earlier game state of mandate is town for most ppl (i also find it very curious that this wasn't cropping up more when mandate was -in- the slot, this kind of suspicion, but maybe there wasnt really a point/time to it earlier)
5) i dont feel strongly about shirou enough to give you a take and im not gonna make one up

[Ydrasse]

like if im honest i feel less strongly about dunn maybe scum than i was a few hours ago because i was just very annoyed by it happening and i think the logic of killing someone because we will never spare them despite us not /entirely/ being locked into sparing is jarring. i guess because its the assumption of sparing? maybe im reading it too uncharitably and dunn was talking about the potential sparing world but it didnt feel like that to me and im afraid of a game where we go to the spare route and dunn is a wolf and suddenly the room for error is zero because it is a lot less fun to solve at that point

[Ydrasse]

it's so weird that i replace mandate and now everyone's suddenly like oh... well maybe not town...
like in a frustrating way because this is me like ... trying my best to solve
and i feel like i am being seen as a lesser player lol

[Ydrasse]

like im aware im not going to create /that/ level of content but i dont like the treatment i guess!

[Ydrasse]

sorry that's just been cropping up in my head over the last few hours and after the flip i guess i feel more like. vulnerable. idk. wasteful? of someone's hard effort and seeing it from more than 1 person immediately eroded Me

[Ydrasse]

hello
my wim is low. mostly because of the stuff talking about my previous slot person.

and i dont think anyones poes are really morphing here in a way that i can see. it felt like freedom was a reasonable candidate yesterday and well. here we are.

[Ydrasse]

...is there less enthusiasm? it seems people are just going for it now

[Ydrasse]

What does your heart of hearts say Ydrasse?

"Idk"
i think freedom has a decent chance of flipping wolf but i dont know beyond that
whatever i felt about dunn is gone now and im kind of over the idea of going deeper there when dunn dies anyways and i dont think that people will be swayed away from sparing in like... any world we have
i think taly is town
i think sakura is townyish
i think youve had a decent intro to the game
everyone else is in the slurry of reads

[Ydrasse]

Would you go for it now

Ydra

?

yeah i dont have strong objections. if im honest i dont feel good about it on a deep level but i dont feel good about many elims before they happen
idk how wolves are treating it, i guess if they flip wolves they probably are bussing rn given momentum
it doesnt feel like there's a real counterwagon that could happen other than maybe me but i have my defenders

[Ydrasse]

it feels like only half of the game if that actually is playing

[Ydrasse]

I'm surprised I'm able to even garner some thread control after that

Meuh

It's like being wrong almost got me more townread

I think a TMI is very possible then

i feel like youve been very vulnerable about your thoughts and feelings that like, sometimes makes me worry a little because theyre dramatic but for the most part feel like... if you were a wolf it wouldnt reward you to be this candid and constantly chasing down every line that seems to pop into your head

[Ydrasse]

what sort of control do you think you have atm?

[Ydrasse]

My.main grievance with

Ydra

is that I'm not understanding her low WIM and difficulty with solving.

i am sorry o great toucan for not delivering upon ye doorstep a solve, the mind has been wracked with the agony of comparison to a forgotten friend and the burden upon mine shoulders
(i dont find this game fun atm, i will probably again soonish when my brain calms down and would maybe benefit from a v/la but meh, and i dont see strong connections for a scumteam atm. im mostly fine with the direction things are going and will explicitly say that, and im hoping for a scum flip soon but dont feel confident. without a kill its hard to figure out what direction we should be going in because the meuh flip imo didnt elucidate a lot. also when a lot of the game is quiet its hard to discern whether or not scum has good control or if town is just eating itself alive trying to find issue with the only posts that are there because thats how the game works.)
(i prefer freedom i think because there really hasn't been anything that makes my brain click and go oh yes this slot is town in the same way for a like, dann or implo where i can kind of... get it if i zone out and think about the vibes. i think this is poor process and i should actually read back through them again now but i dont have the energy so... soon, or tomorrow at work or something. but i cant see myself voting those two and i think those two are at non 0 odds of being wagoned atm an yeah)
(ill probably pop in and out today regardless of everything i just said above because i cant help myself but the lower wim makes sense more now i hope)

[Ydrasse]

i think the bingle thing about mena is strange because the game im recalling that i won as wolf i joined late and spent most of it investing my time into pocketing him and like letting him run with a poor assumption

[Ydrasse]

i think the bingle thing about mena is strange because the game im recalling that i won as wolf i joined late and spent most of it investing my time into pocketing him and like letting him run with a poor assumption

viewtopic.php?t=86462

[Ydrasse]

oh was it a dance game

[Ydrasse]

i think the only guns and roses game i played i was scum with him. and then i repped out

[Ydrasse]

he flakes as scum i think too

[Ydrasse]

viewtopic.php?t=85648

[Ydrasse]

i think he may have in epilogue (?) as well

[Ydrasse]

Alright I didn't see that game, that's fair. But look at the rest of Beeboy's game history:

Gnosia -

Town

- Replaces out
TFT uPick -

Mafia

- Eliminated day 1
Cards of Destiny (Hayasaka account) -

Town

- Replaces out
Epilogue -

Mafia

- Dance game and partner leaves at end of game
Betrayal Mafia -

Town

- Replaces out
Undertale C Open -

Mafia

- Makes it to the end of the game and wins

alright, i think i’m just being nitpicky about this kind of clearing and am more interested in the like. actual content of his game making the slot town
(even though i don’t really feel like the slot is wolf so teehee)

[Ydrasse]

I have a tinfoil that kyouko is scum with a deep wolf and is counting on us sparing a deep wolf and then panicking into “oh shit spare was the wrong choice!”

Maybe Dunn?

I just don’t know how anyone can legitimately look at implos numbers post and say: yup, let’s fight. Especially with the argument that scumhunting is easier than townhunting here.

i’m unsure why she would project these feelings prior to the spare going through, i feel ? it would be more of an impact to push people who voted spare after the fact.

i’m tepid about what we do at this point because this game is hard and my faith in myself to find actual town and not wolves going deep is uh. lol

[Ydrasse]

i kind of feel like with that post and the insistence on it through the game implo is maybe town whose logic is being used as a weapon

[Ydrasse]

i kind of regret in retrospect spare being immediately like. the mechanic everyone very loudly wanted. and without little room for deviation. it gives toriel the right to do whatever they want if they’re wolf because they’re not really gonna get punished for it

i don’t think it matters this game atp but if this is ran again i think people should keep their preference closer to chest

[Ydrasse]

i think my spare pool is myself, taly, dann, implo…?, sakura…?, keyleth…? kyouko…?

questions after a lot of these because low confidence

[Ydrasse]

:/

[Ydrasse]

i love it when my posts are not engaged with but w/e

[Ydrasse]

i posted more than just that and the implication would be that i am more comfortable with the people i wasnt questioning.

[Ydrasse]

because it gives better leverage imo to be able to be outraged about the spare and push people who voted it than it is to be imo reasonable about why you want fight beforehand. without an explicit stance it’s a lot easier to make one up that’s convenient and i don’t think kyouko really had to make it to be scrutinized now

[Ydrasse]

i don’t move my vote a lot and i wasn’t compelled enough at that point, i think i could have gotten there but idk

[Ydrasse]

i was just annoyed by the whole
hand wave at it all!!

[Ydrasse]

cruelly punished for only reading what was quoted of my posts

[Ydrasse]

anyways i just lost a game so i’m reinvigorated to do stuff here now somehow. when i’m not at work i’ll give me thoughts

[Ydrasse]

currently i agree with kyouko

[Ydrasse]

HEAL: Sakura Hana, Dannflor, Taly, Bingle, Alisae, RCEnigma, 6

Keyleth, Lazy Shirou, Ydrasse, implosion, ssbm_Kyouko

5

for me own recordkeeping

[Ydrasse]

taly please say its me pleaaaase say its me say im town say it so they kill me please

[Ydrasse]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

my jeebies are heebied

[Ydrasse]

currently i agree with kyouko

so what's your alternative?

Let the thread randomly compromise on someone again?

I'm not arguing for lining up spares, I'm arguing to actively limiting the choice of spares in the next days

erm i meant kyouko after taly for my list so far

[Ydrasse]

Dann has been pushed into the "townblock" recently and I do not like it at all

I feel like the pool is too big at the moment, we should restrict it more and therefore force scum to either get behind supporting their partner or compromise on leaving potential buddies out of the block

Dann is near if not my top townread, can you please show me why I'm wrong to think this way?

my jeebies are heebied

Don't worry I plan on sending you after Taly!

say it louder

[Ydrasse]

yay
yes we can spare taly

[Ydrasse]

truly the most fun game

[Ydrasse]

thumbs up

[Ydrasse]

quote this post if anyone wants me for the rest of the game. if this is a town flip it feels won and i don’t feel a need to give my input anymore. it is a miserable experience.

thanks.

[Ydrasse]

voting bingle in spirit.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: bingle

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

let me be clear: if i was wolf i would not spit on the efforts of mandate and roll over and die. i would enter into this game with a wonderful body of work and keep it going.

that everyone somehow, psychically, decided that i was a wolf for reasons i still don't understand - town players, mind you, not entirely wolves trying to discredit - and doubt will be explained beyond "dunno mandate has good reads usually didn't here so kill" as previously posted is miserable. i don't have the will to try and sway against loud town players who have decided i am mafia for what i feel are obscure reasons. it's not fun. i don't care, let alone my actual posts being minimal alongside all of this.

my viewpoint of this day is that everyone is going to suggest me as a partner on their scumteams. it's easy for town and easy for mafia. i'm just accepting it because screaming into the void makes me want to cry and i don't like crying over mafia anymore, so i won't.

[Ydrasse]

let me be clear: if i was wolf i would not spit on the efforts of mandate and roll over and die. i would enter into this game with a wonderful body of work and keep it going.

that everyone somehow, psychically, decided that i was a wolf for reasons i still don't understand - town players, mind you, not entirely wolves trying to discredit - and doubt will be explained beyond "dunno mandate has good reads usually didn't here so kill" as previously posted is miserable. i don't have the will to try and sway against loud town players who have decided i am mafia for what i feel are obscure reasons. it's not fun. i don't care, let alone my actual posts being minimal alongside all of this.

my viewpoint of this day is that everyone is going to suggest me as a partner on their scumteams. it's easy for town and easy for mafia. i'm just accepting it because screaming into the void makes me want to cry and i don't like crying over mafia anymore, so i won't.

Aww Ydra sorry if I'm wrong...this does sound like a bit of a town post, but my reason to be suspicious of you has all to do with you and not Mandate though

I just feel like you've been progressively giving up in the game as we get closer to town wincon and although I do understand how it could happen even with you being town, it does make me feel wary of you potentially being scum soft giving up

it sounds like one because it is one.

and frankly… when town players loudly and wrongly accuse you of being wolf and joke about it and that basis seems to come almost entirely from someone’s posts that aren’t even in the game anymore, and do it lazily to boot… it’s just tiresome. mentally.

[Ydrasse]

i will read some of today tomorrow and answer then.

[Ydrasse]

i'm town.

[Ydrasse]

feel like the likelier option is sakura isn't town, shrug. hopefully i'm wrong.

[Ydrasse]

sakura also dipped while people are still here so. ya know.

[Ydrasse]

sakura also dipped while people are still here so. ya know.

actually this thought probably isn't clear even if i say ya know. i think if she was actually town she'd have a lot more curiosity and exhilaration for the endgame, but maybe that's me. it's over. she would know it. she can post and ask questions and express that feeling more than "oh wonder what happened oh well" and then goodbye.

i would like to be wrong in this case.

[Ydrasse]

i hope you're being honest. i would like very much for this game to be over!

[Ydrasse]

that would be the funniest timeline.

[Ydrasse]

I think it's no coincidence that the nightkill was Implosion and he disliked the sakura wagon a lot

Sorry if I'm wrong again but I'll do this

VOTE: Ydrasse

you’re actually town???

[Ydrasse]

sorry that was a bad time to post knowing i had to immediately leave for a tiny bit but i guess i’m dramatic

i agree with the sentiment of never voting sakura wagon if at all possible. but i was also resigned to not being voted so was going to sort dann.

it surprises me that shirou voted me at all if he’s not
town because i feel it would be superfluous? i don’t know if mafia need to fake a process like that at this point if he’s wolf and then finds a way to disengage.

[Ydrasse]

also i think i dislike bingle’s rhetoric of “sakura disrailed my spare wagon” when said sakura wagon was… hammered very quickly by bingle meaning there was no way to like. get “back on track” on bingle. and now today the pressure of only
vote me, i am the obvious choice, so on. it makes me more hesitant to vote for bingle compared to yesterday.

[Ydrasse]

my mind is running around in circles right now but i kind of think the team is sakura/bingle/rce. i’m not really sure but looking at how sakura was treating people yesterday it feels as if she was a lot more diplomatic with myself and implosion and then by extension she was trying to walk back her push on dann to be nore… charismatic?

she only really engaged harshly with rce and bingle to a lesser degree. i think if that’s the team fighting to be competing spares is the best thing they can do? setting up the end game dichotomy between them, oh that was the wrong choice clearly it was me.

the issue with that though is … if bingle is town it was the only option for wolves lol. they have to contest or else lose so of course sakura has to try and tear both of them down. theyend up voting sakura anyways which makes it harder.

[Ydrasse]

it’s really hard for me to see shirou as a wolf here strictly for the fact of voting me when it only takes one other person before i can hammer. it’s disgustingly risky unless he thinks that i am too beaten down to post in endgame and won’t be able to get anyone else’s vote.

[Ydrasse]

dann is… a struggle to read. by virtue of not voting sakura i like him more but i haven’t been able to get a hold on him. i feel like his feelings have been real here and there but i’m… wary. i also don’t have as much of a focal point to read him off of yesterday, compared to everyone else. im probably going to start with the nightkills to verify if they actually did really want him.

[Ydrasse]

well that was easier than i thought.

[Ydrasse]

all of the nightkills did in fact think dann was the platonic ideal of a spare.

[Ydrasse]

Okay. I think kyouko is probably town. Alisae also a decent chance of being town but I just think Kyouko has the greatest chance to flip town in the game right now besides myself so that feels like a much safer bet.

I'm very worried about tomorrow and the fact that even if today goes well the ratio is gonna be 4:3 which makes things very hard

I think there's a decent chance Alisae or I die if kyouko is the spare - although idk how many people are even left alive who would want to spare me. but regardless it feels almost inevitable we spare scum tomorrow because I think there are town townreading scum and i don't think all the town alive are really in agreement on much of anything

I

really don't

think we should spare Sakura tomorrow or at all. Her town read on Alisae just doesn't feel real. I don't think town actually town reads that *town slip* that hard without actually *knowing* that it's a town slip. Plus, I feel like Sakura has just consistently pushed as town the people who town read her and scum read the people who scum read her, which like might be a personality tell, but also is kind of a necessary way to play as scum in this setup.

RCE's posts to and about Sakura feel like stereotypically partnery to me and feels like RCE trying to resurrect Sakura's previous widely town read status.

I also just feel like RCE's play isn't genuine. I think the read on alisae is like technically fine, but it feels over done in order to look like a unique towny read. Like I can understand town reading alisae, i don't understand consistently putting alisae a tier above Taly.

I would probably be fine with Alisae tomorrow if enough people can agree on that. I also kinda feel like at this point Alisae has just been TMI'd town by the number of people town reading Alisae

I would probably be fine with ydrasse tomorrow if enough people can agree on that. My read here has kinda gotten stale but I felt very strongly that this slot was town at one point and like, I think those earlier game reads are way more likely to be accurate here than anything else.

I would also spare Bingle tomorrow.

I was soft pushing him yesterday / the phase before to try to hide that fact but I think Bingle is a very solid spare and I feel much more confident convincing people to spare him than I do, say, implosion who everyone has shaded all game.

• Rereading Brown Eyes, I get why so many people town read her early on and I feel like reads from this era of the game are going to be much more accurate than reads formed more recently when scum are actively playing to get town read.
  
• I think Brown Eyes has pretty clearing interactions with Aristeia in 424 and 428 who I think is scum.
  
• I've kinda reversed my initial take and I think Bingle's weird push on me in 2394 and 2422 like almost never comes from scum. It's not only against the grain of the thread but Bingle isn't even trying to *look good* coming out of it. When I see scum trying to get town read by going against the grain they usually try to make it a big case or reasoning that makes them get town read but this just feels like Detective Bingle following his nose.
  
• I don't really see Bingle playing to specifically elevate anyone else nor do I really understand who his partners would be if scum.
  
• To add to the above, Brown Eyes started as a fairly widespread town read and then was gradually taken out of the pool by virtually everyone over the course of the game to basically no complaints or people trying to put the slot back in the pool. If Bingle has team mates then they are team mates in positions that are crazy good or he just doesn't have them.
  
• I don't know rereading his ISO I jsut get the vibe that he's reading and thinking about the game but he's not doing it in a way where I think he's expecting to get town read by his posts. Like he's pointedly not playing to get spared but he is playing to find town/scum and I think that type of slot is one of the most likely to flip town in this game.

i think if our spare pool for tomorrow is alisae/ydrasse/bingle then the game is just winnable tomorrow

post of all time.

[Ydrasse]

i think sakura had already established a narrative that she couldn’t back down from wrt alisae and i’d have to look to see everyone else’s progressions more closely… i think there’s something to be said about bolstering alisae in that situation though when e is loudly pushing an incorrect read and validating that way. not a lot but it sticks out to me for obvious reasons.

[Ydrasse]

i’m utterly confused if shirou is wolf voting me. i don’t get it beyond “no one else will vote you but me” sort of thing that is supposed to translate into me trusting shirou and voting with him…?

[Ydrasse]

i’m about to sound like a scam artist pressuring you to reply now but if you’re town and shirou is wolf we have the chance to do the funniest thing imaginable here

[Ydrasse]

regardless i do think i should put more merit into shirou doing that. it just seems very risky and i’m unsure what scumteam needs to put themselves into that position atp?

[Ydrasse]

i think sakura had already established a narrative that she couldn’t back down from wrt alisae and i’d have to look to see everyone else’s progressions more closely… i think there’s something to be said about bolstering alisae in that situation though when e is loudly pushing an incorrect read and validating that way. not a lot but it sticks out to me for obvious reasons.

Right it’s probably negligible in regards to sakura but I Sakura was the scum frontman so I don’t see the other two being as proactive.

Meaning the other two likely had the option to be passive to gauge town.

the day went fast though iirc so they weren’t doing that or town pushed it through quickly?

[Ydrasse]

I’ll be a good boy.

just lost the chance for the funniest mafia moment of all time. live with the regret.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: ydrasse

[Ydrasse]

yay

[Ydrasse]

no i’m town!

[Ydrasse]

rare town blitz

[Ydrasse]

lol

[Ydrasse]

we found each other at the end……

[Ydrasse]

i really hope shirou is a wolf now but if shirou is town that owns too

[Ydrasse]

what were you?

[Ydrasse]

i’m town rce be strong

[Ydrasse]

i’m being sincere bingle i am town

[Ydrasse]

IM TOWN

[Ydrasse]

WELL IM TOWN SO?

[Ydrasse]

like i wouldn’t lie in this game after being miserable the entirety of it

[Ydrasse]

i think the dann kills set him up well to point to a legacy of dead town players who can’t re - evaluate

[Ydrasse]

this was the most game of all time

[Ydrasse]

i’m town ):

[Ydrasse]

yay

[Ydrasse]

o/

[Ydrasse]

shirou’s vote gave me the wim i needed tbqh