Open 898: Don't Fall In The Volcano! | Game Over!

[NekoLover]

Rubs me the wrong way*

[DragonEater70]

Yeah okay

@Dann why Klick? You didn't give any reasoning

[NekoLover]

If I was more certain of my gut feeling, I'd definitely place klick at e-1, but my gut can very easily be wrong

[DragonEater70]

Actually

VOTE: Dann

[DragonEater70]

If I was more certain of my gut feeling, I'd definitely place klick at e-1, but my gut can very easily be wrong

I see

I don't really like the Klick wagon at all, but I don't really care to explain why before Dann explains his own reasoning for starting it.

[FakeGod]

Why not? It's pretty obvious vote from my pov after eliminating sky and you from execute pool, and neko's obvtown.

Heck, his poe list (203) is literally two guys voting him, one person who said he'd vote him, and a person who's not here.

It looks like someone who's trying hard not to leave a paper trail.

[Aureal]

1.06

Votecount 1.06

Klick (E-2)

-> Dannflor, FakeGod, Black

Dannflor (2)

-> Klick, DragonEater70

Black (1)

-> Claptastik

NekoLover (1)

-> Skygazer

Not Voting (2)

-> Titus, NekoLover

With 9 gladiators in the arena, it takes 5 votes to remove someone from play.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-26 16:28:30).

Mod Notes: the combined mod ISO can be found here.
Titus has 48 hours from game start ((expired on 2023-12-17 16:20:47)) to confirm her role or a replacement will be sought.
General reminder that role should be confirmed before posting in-game.

[Titus]

Sorry I'm likely delayed until tomorrow night. Tomorrow morning is devoted to interpersonal relationships that might be too late to save.

[DragonEater70]

Good luck

[Klick]

DragonEater even more town

Read on Black?

I'm not really swayed by your case on Black but regardless I think Black!scum is pretty plausible atp
She needs to start towning yesterday

VOTE: klick

Black town

Vote your scum buddy with me Clap

This is very transparently Black's scum partner

I'm not fully getting this

Do you think she's scum? If not, why the exclamation point? If yes, why do you disagree (?) with my case?

'Do you think X is scum' is more broad than a yes-or-no question. I think Black has pretty decent scum equity. Surely you get that, as the person who was talking all about the percentage odds of Black being scum earlier? My thoughts on Black aren't very solidified. I think Black is within both her ranges right now, from my perception.

The was because I also had Black/Dann as a pet theory in my head at the time. It was highly speculative and held little weight, which is why I was fine being really vague about it.

I just don't think the reasons you laid out for Black!scum really coincide with things that would make her scum. I don't disagree with the direction atm, and I don't feel like going into the details of your reasoning is that productive a use of my time and posts.

[DragonEater70]

RE: percentages - yes, of course.

What I meant is do you think Black has like, 30%, 50%, or 70% to be scum (as an example)?

RE exclam - okay makes sense, so you were basically mindmelding and wanted to point it out.

Last paragraph - sure. Then what do you scumread her for?

[DragonEater70]

I'm kinda convinced at least one of Black/Dann has to be scum here

And based on my vote I guess I am leaning more on Dann

But I'm still waiting for him to explain the vote on you before I conclude he's scum.

[DragonEater70]

Fake - I will explain my reasoning only after Dannflor explains his.

I don't think any of what you said is scum indicative for Klick, and I am kinda questioning why you are voting him and not Black/Dann based on the people you eliminated from the scum pool.

[Klick]

VOTE: Black

On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?

It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.

why didn’t you vote klick

...I quite like this actually

Huh???

I think Dannflor's perception of me is that I am also tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and I'm omgussy. Which means it's odd that Claptastik didn't find me suspicious on those grounds.

[Klick]

Why not? It's pretty obvious vote from my pov after eliminating sky and you from execute pool, and neko's obvtown.

Heck, his poe list (203) is literally two guys voting him, one person who said he'd vote him, and a person who's not here.

It looks like someone who's trying hard not to leave a paper trail.

Not my fault you're not town mate

'People voting me or talking about voting me' is a large pool for you to pretend it's significant

[Klick]

RE: percentages - yes, of course.

What I meant is do you think Black has like, 30%, 50%, or 70% to be scum (as an example)?

RE exclam - okay makes sense, so you were basically mindmelding and wanted to point it out.

Last paragraph - sure. Then what do you scumread her for?

I don't like the percentage question on principle, but that's just me being an ass and I'll go with it. I'm at probably 40%ish scum on Black. That's not really due to much on Black's part at this point, as much as other players are just townier. Like I said in the last post, my thoughts on Black aren't well-defined and she's in the PoE largely based on not yet being towny.

[Klick]

I feel like I'm close to having enough information to try to infer some sort of solve but I'm not quite there yet.

I'm fairly happy with most of my townreads (specifically DragonEater, Neko, Skygazer).

[NekoLover]

Power outage here, I'll probably be unresponsive for most of today to try and save my phones battery. Did not want to wake up at 4:30 am to everything shutting off

[Claptastik]

Follow up on Black:
26 - questions someone else putting out an early town read
39 - doubts that people have enough info to have a serious read on her this early
42 - puts out a bare town read on neko - "Neko town" is the entire post
46 - again doubts that there's enough information to have serious reads yet
53 - puts out gut town reads on sky and dragon, now claims that the town read on neko "wasn't real."
92 - excessively focused with the people who have voted her, votes dragon
94 - backs off the dragon scum read. More concerned with how she appears to others than with generating information to get real reads.
122 and 124 and 128 - hey newbie you should town read me
133 - wishy-washy town read on neko
162 - detailed defense. Town getting heat early on D1 tend to just continue on and trust that their town game will become apparent in time. Black is focused on herself this game.
163 - naked vote on me. Hey let's see if I can deflect the conversation to someone else.
186 - just gross
190 - rolleyes response to klick, who made the same observation that I did above, i.e. town!Black would be towning it up
194 - vote Klick. I mean WTF, why did you vote me? Apparently not in an attempt to sort me

This is a really bad ISO.

[Claptastik]

Do you honestly expect reads to be strong this early in the game?

No. In fact, I think reads are so weak this early in the game, that there's no town reason to be tossing them out. Scum OTOH want to look like they're trying to solve, and buddying doesn't hurt.

[Claptastik]

VOTE: Black

On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?

It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.

why didn’t you vote klick

Because I only have one vote.

Follow up: as noted above, Klick had a similar thought to mine regarding Black. Scum!klick would tell scum!black to town it up in the PT. scum!klick has no motivation to tell town!black how to take pressure off herself. Klick is looking good to me from that post.

[Claptastik]

Honestly I have no comment for any of this but i am present

This guy's screaming newbtown all along. If he's scum, kudos!

[Claptastik]

VOTE: Black

On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?

It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.

why didn’t you vote klick

...I quite like this actually

This reminds me of myself as town. I like having wagons on me as that generates the best information. Klick has a wagon, but he's not defensive, he's letting it get reads. Black OTOH has been hard defending all day.

[Klick]

Honestly I have no comment for any of this but i am present

This guy's screaming newbtown all along. If he's scum, kudos!

I agree with this

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Black