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[Claptastik]

Basically i think clap’s catchup and jump on Black was way over justified and more focused on looking townie than anything else

What do you think of my interactions with people other than black after the catchup?

[Claptastik]

People can pressure me but I expect them to do it in good faith and to admit when they might be wrong

"In good faith" is a weasel term.

I might be wrong. I thought it went without saying in a game of mafia, particularly on D1, but now it's said. Is that good?

[Black]

People can pressure me but I expect them to do it in good faith and to admit when they might be wrong

"In good faith" is a weasel term.

I might be wrong. I thought it went without saying in a game of mafia, particularly on D1, but now it's said. Is that good?

Nah, that's not good enough. I want you to respond to my rebuttal of your case so I can tell if you're town pushing me for bad reasons or scum pushing me for bad reasons

[Claptastik]

Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)

Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.

Why do you think Klick is town?

I explained that in 245 247 and 255. You're not reading for content, i.e. not really trying to sort people, or you would know this.

Nah I just overlooked them. Thanks for providing an answer tho

What do you think of the reasoning on klick in those posts? Do you think I'm scum with klick?

[Black]

Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)

Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.

Why do you think Klick is town?

I explained that in 245 247 and 255. You're not reading for content, i.e. not really trying to sort people, or you would know this.

Nah I just overlooked them. Thanks for providing an answer tho

What do you think of the reasoning on klick in those posts? Do you think I'm scum with klick?

Probably not. I think it's more likely that there's one scum within you

[Claptastik]

Nah, that's not good enough. I want you to respond to my rebuttal of your case so I can tell if you're town pushing me for bad reasons or scum pushing me for bad reasons

I thought your rebuttal was weak. I think responding to weak scum arguments plays into the hands of scum. I'm fine letting everyone decide based on what's out there.

[Claptastik]

Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)

Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.

Why do you think Klick is town?

I explained that in 245 247 and 255. You're not reading for content, i.e. not really trying to sort people, or you would know this.

Nah I just overlooked them. Thanks for providing an answer tho

What do you think of the reasoning on klick in those posts? Do you think I'm scum with klick?

Probably not. I think it's more likely that there's one scum within you

What do you think of my reasoning on klick?

[Black]

Nah, that's not good enough. I want you to respond to my rebuttal of your case so I can tell if you're town pushing me for bad reasons or scum pushing me for bad reasons

I thought your rebuttal was weak. I think responding to weak scum arguments plays into the hands of scum. I'm fine letting everyone decide based on what's out there.

Of course you do

So you're either stubborn town or you're scum pushing me. Your case was absolute shit. If you can't argue against my rebuttal then that only proves my point

[NekoLover]

I'm watching you two play 5D chess while i'm playing checkers in this game

[Claptastik]

@Black what do you think of my reasoning on klick?

[Black]

Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)

Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.

Why do you think Klick is town?

I explained that in 245 247 and 255. You're not reading for content, i.e. not really trying to sort people, or you would know this.

Nah I just overlooked them. Thanks for providing an answer tho

What do you think of the reasoning on klick in those posts? Do you think I'm scum with klick?

Probably not. I think it's more likely that there's one scum within you

What do you think of my reasoning on klick?

245 is ok. I disagree with 247 - I think it's much easier to stay calm and collected when being wagoned as scum as opposed to town. 255 is bad too because weren't you arguing that it doesn't make sense to have strong reads this early? And now suddenly you townread Klick for having strong reads? It's easier for scum to have strong reads, or to at least pretend that they do, because they know everyone's alignments. Town are more likely to be wishy washy and fluid with their reads early in the game

[Black]

I also strongly disagree that it's scummy to vocalize reads even if they are weak. I always try to be transparent with my reads regardless of their strength

[Claptastik]

I'm watching you two play 5D chess while i'm playing checkers in this game

I don't think so. Black is either floundering scum or bad, over-defensive town. Without dannflor backing her she'd be in trouble.

As for dannflor, he appears to be the most annoying type of player there is - the old guard who thinks he's so damn good he doesn't need to explain himself. And sometimes those people are that good, but there's no way for newer people like you or me to know that.

[NekoLover]

yea tbh I don't like dann simply because he won't explain his train of thought

[Black]

I don't think so. Black is either floundering scum or bad, over-defensive town. Without dannflor backing her she'd be in trouble.

Nah, your case is shit homie. You're not fading me with that hot garbage

You're the one playing bad if you are town, not me

As for dannflor, he appears to be the most annoying type of player there is -

the old guard who thinks he's so damn good he doesn't need to explain himself

. And sometimes those people are that good, but there's no way for newer people like you or me to know that.

If you think you are good at this game you need to check yourself. Your ego is inflated for no reason

[Black]

VOTE: Klick

Kinda think Clap is just a bad/stubborn townie

Tin foil read that Klick/Dann is the solve so I want to go back here

[Claptastik]

245 is ok.

So you agree with my logic that klick's post was town. Why am I, as scum, making town points for a townie who has a wagon on him? DOesn't it make much more sense to leave open the option to get on that wagon if I need to? That flexibility is much more important than some nebulous town cred scum!me might get if klick does get limmed without my vote.

I disagree with 247 - I think it's much easier to stay calm and collected when being wagoned as scum as opposed to town.

Seriously? Wow, most people would find being pressured D1 as part of a 2-person team to be more stressful than being pressured as 1 out of 7.

255 is bad too because weren't you arguing that it doesn't make sense to have strong reads this early? And now suddenly you townread Klick for having strong reads? It's easier for scum to have strong reads, or to at least pretend that they do, because they know everyone's alignments. Town are more likely to be wishy washy and fluid with their reads early in the game

As noted, the issue is that scum need to generate mislims, and putting out strong town reads limits their options down the road. you understand that, right?

[Black]

So you agree with my logic that klick's post was town. Why am I, as scum, making town points for a townie who has a wagon on him? DOesn't it make much more sense to leave open the option to get on that wagon if I need to? That flexibility is much more important than some nebulous town cred scum!me might get if klick does get limmed without my vote.

Have you ever heard of pocketing?

Seriously? Wow, most people would find being pressured D1 as part of a 2-person team to be more stressful than being pressured as 1 out of 7.

Maybe it's a personality thing. I generally don't mind getting pushed when I'm scum

As noted, the issue is that scum need to generate mislims, and putting out strong town reads limits their options down the road. you understand that, right?

There's not much harm in scum putting out strong reads early in the game. I see them do it all the time and then change their opinion as things develop. You understand that is an option, right?

[Claptastik]

yea tbh I don't like dann simply because he won't explain his train of thought

Problem is that someone with that join date and post count could very well be town, and could very well have good reads. And they're difficult to lim. It's a type that's good for investigatives to check.

[Claptastik]

I don't think so. Black is either floundering scum or bad, over-defensive town. Without dannflor backing her she'd be in trouble.

Nah, your case is shit homie. You're not fading me with that hot garbage

You're the one playing bad if you are town, not me

As for dannflor, he appears to be the most annoying type of player there is -

the old guard who thinks he's so damn good he doesn't need to explain himself

. And sometimes those people are that good, but there's no way for newer people like you or me to know that.

If you think you are good at this game you need to check yourself. Your ego is inflated for no reason

I don't know how you conclude I'm saying I'm good at this game. I know I'm not.

[Claptastik]

Have you ever heard of pocketing?

Yes. I rarely see scum trying to pocket someone with a wagon on them though.

There's not much harm in scum putting out strong reads early in the game. I see them do it all the time and then change their opinion as things develop. You understand that is an option, right?

It's only an option if people like you let them get away with it.

[Black]

Yes. I rarely see scum trying to pocket someone with a wagon on them though.

That's one of the best times to do it. It makes the person being pressured feel really good about them because they are alleviating some of the pressure for them

It's only an option if people like you let them get away with it.

You're implying here that you don't think it's normal for townies to change their reads as new developments happen, which is a really weird opinion to have

[Black]

yea tbh I don't like dann simply because he won't explain his train of thought

You should join the Klick wagon

[Claptastik]

@dannfor

It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy.

Would give examples but I'm on my phone.

This post implies I'm going to come back with a detailed case on black when I'm at my computer. Why was it scummy of me to do so?

VOTE: Black

On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?

It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.

why didn’t you vote klick

Because I only have one vote.

I'm assuming this regards klick putting out town reads at the same time as black. I've shown that black's were indeed weak and rebuttable, while klick's were signficantly stronger. I've also explained how I relate those facts to alignment. What do you think of all that?

[Black]

The premise that "scum have weak reads and town have strong ones" is laughable